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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#155902: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:20:55 PM

[up][up] It was a lie they really, really wanted to believe.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:21:10 PM by M84

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#155904: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:21:30 PM

I know that not everyone who voted for Trump is an out and out racist, but when you have literal white supremacists groups supporting people in the white house who have documented histories of racist comments and actions, who actually promised to do kind of racist stuff for said supporters, you have to be really naive to believe you aren't somehow complicit. They might not really hate brown people, but putting them at the mercy of people who want to get rid of their civil rights or hurt them for the chance at getting a job or feeling some sense of empowerment is heartlessly selfish.

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#155905: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:24:27 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'd be more willing to believe that... if it weren't for the fact that Earmarks were actually banned in the House in 2013, well into the Tea Party era.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:25:56 PM by DingoWalley1

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155906: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:24:36 PM

[up][up] Hasan Minhaj from The Daily Show with Trevor Noah put it best:

"On December 17, 2015, Donald Trump called for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. I remember that date because it's the birthday of the worst fucking day of my life! Seriously, how is that not instantly disqualifying? Even if that's not why people voted for him, open racism should just be a deal breaker. You personally may not be a racist, sexist, xenophobe, but that comes with the package. So if you take that deal, what you're telling me is, "Hey man, I don't hate you; I just don't care about you."

edited 16th Nov '16 6:28:06 PM by M84

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#155907: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:24:44 PM

The fucked up thing is, Trumps is perfectly within his rights as President to order every single illegal immigrant deported, since, strictly speaking, they've broken the law. That doing that would be ridiculously impractical and unethical doesn't seem to have crossed the minds of Trump supporters. All it would take is an executive order.

He could even ban immigrants from the Arab world by executive order banning immigration from countries in the middle east, again via executive order.

That's part of why Trump is terrifying; some of his more odious promises could actually be carried out on his authority as President alone.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:25:38 PM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155908: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:26:01 PM

[up] The really terrifying thing is that millions of Americans are apparently fine with this. A good number of them may have voted for him solely so that he could do this.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:26:46 PM by M84

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#155909: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:28:19 PM

Yep. You don't have to be a white supremacist to be complicit with their agendas, just like you don't need to actively hate women to have voted for a candidate who normalizes misogyny.

Also, that article about the election's results on women is soul-crushing.

Political scientist Susan Carroll, a senior scholar at Rutgers University’s Center for American Women and Politics, says the “Trump factor” not only frightened women; it quieted them. “I think a lot of people don't want to talk about this election and get into a fight with somebody about it,” she says. “It tends to be confrontational, and many women are not that confrontational, and reluctant to get involved. They like to keep things smooth and on an even keel. A lot of women will maybe feel more relief than jubilation—quite in contrast to 2008, when there was much more visible enthusiasm [for Obama].”

One of the many paradoxes of this election is that while Trump may have energized Clinton’s base with his gleeful lashing of her, his victory might deter other women—younger, less polarizing than Hillary Clinton—from getting into politics. The willingness of younger women to run for lower offices is key to getting anywhere near gender parity in Congress. Women are traditionally far less inclined than men to run for office. In addition to the fact that they are less likely to be encouraged to do so by their local party chiefs, the reasons they cite for not running are loss of privacy and the brutal campaigns. Says New York Democrat Judith Hope, one of Clinton’s earliest political backers, “If I was a young woman thinking of running for office, I’d have to think twice” after this year. “Certainly, if you have a family, the price is too high.”

In day-after interviews, women who voted for him said they didnt believe his accusers or weren’t bothered enough by his sexist remarks to vote for Hillary. At Trump’s victory party, Texan Kendra Reeves, 51, sat beneath the stage as Trump spoke at 3 a.m. She said she wasn’t worried about her candidate’s effect on women. “I feel that God has chosen Donald Trump for this time in history to bring change to our nation,” she said. “Every woman I have met has said he’s respectful and gracious. I don’t know about his past, but everyone has a past. All that matters is if you learn from it.”

This point has been made before, but it merits repeating: I think people have grossly underestimated the amount of female and internalized misogyny in the country.

We might have been set back decades because of this election.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:29:34 PM by Draghinazzo

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Oh, bother.
#155910: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:29:58 PM

[up] Phyllis Schafly must be laughing from beyond the grave.

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#155911: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:30:06 PM

If Trump starts actually going about creating a Muslim registry, that's when I officially start to panic.

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#155912: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:30:49 PM

[up] Same here.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155913: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:34:02 PM

[up][up] If that happens, I might really renounce U.S. citizenship so I can go to a place that's more tolerant. Like China.

I wish that was sarcasm — at the rate things are going, Trump's America really might be a worse place than China for anyone who isn't white.

If Trump really does start rounding up minorities, it's only a matter of time before he gets around to locking up Asian Americans. Especially since he's not particularly fond of China.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:36:02 PM by M84

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#155914: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:36:30 PM

[up][up][up]&[up][up]Hey now, don't jump the gun. As unsettling as a Muslim registry would be, we did actually have one from the early 00's all the way to 2011, and that never resulted in concentration camps being set up. One thing will not necessarily lead to the other. No need to get ahead of ourselves here.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:36:53 PM by kkhohoho

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#155915: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:37:55 PM

For all we know, the intelligence services already have had registries for every known demographic of citizen to begin with.

It's just a matter of breaking them out of the safe to base a policy upon.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155916: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:38:10 PM

That said, if he does start building camps — that are concentrated — I'm packing my bags and booking a one-way flight.

edited 16th Nov '16 6:38:26 PM by M84

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#155917: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:38:15 PM

You know I get that this election has officially crossed us into the proverbial Twilight zone of political commentary but Godwin's Law folks. You don't have to be a literal Nazi to do shitty things to marginalized groups.

Godwin's Law stops being a thing when a person starts literally imitating Hitler's policies and is endorsed by actual Nazis.

Mandatory registration of all Jews was a thing before the Holocaust happened.

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#155918: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:40:04 PM

The previous registry wasn't a muslim registry it was a foreign nationals from the Middle East registry, so it included non-Muslims from the Middle East and failed to include non-Middle Eastern Muslims. There's a big difference between that and a strait up registry of all Muslims.

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#155919: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:40:52 PM

Will Muslim-Americans be forced to wear ID tags with crescents on them in public? surprised

Newsweek: People at Brown, Harvard, Yale and other schools want to build a network of immigration “sanctuaries”

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#155920: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:41:22 PM

I think Trump might have proposed that at some point.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#155921: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:41:50 PM

You joke, but I wouldn't put it past the Trump administration to seriously attempt to implement this.

[nja]

edited 16th Nov '16 6:42:06 PM by M84

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#155922: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:44:48 PM

On 9/11, terrorists flew two planes into the World Trade Center and attempted to hit the pentagon with another one. Their goal was to instill within us a great and terrible fear. They wanted to paralyze our foreign efforts by getting us to tear ourselves apart with fear and hate. They wanted to create a culture war between Western civilization and Muslims everywhere.

If Trump creates this registration database, then the terrorists truly have won.

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#155923: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:45:55 PM

This is relevant. I very much hope people call their representatives and get Bannon taken off the slate. The instant he's given an actual platform is the instant the alt-right wins this fight, and gets a bigger foothold for the next one.

It's been fun.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#155924: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:48:28 PM

[up][up] They arguably won the moment Trump was elected.

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#155925: Nov 16th 2016 at 6:50:26 PM

"Godwin's Law stops being a thing when a person starts literally imitating Hitler's policies and is endorsed by actual Nazis. "

I feel he is more like Mussolini, specially he is lack of clear politics and jumping into everything with no clear thought, that is very Mussolini

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