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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Trump is back at it again with the early-morning twitter ragequits.
There are military people who apparently would consider Clinton's email server by itself as a sufficient black mark, because don't screw with top secret clearance stuff. That doesn't neccecarily mean they support Trump any more. Obviously there's some that agree with Trump's foreign policy campaign and some who recognize the disaster.
I think people who feel like the Democrats have suffered a mortal blow underestimate how close the election was; and, how almost universallly reviled Trump is.
He's going to be the figurehead for republicans for the next four years, and there's no way hes going to last that long without intensifying the already present hatred of him.
We shouldn't take ANYTHING for granted at this point. That's what I've been saying ever since the results of the election. Everything must be fought tooth and nail for.
For 2020, the Democrats mostly just need a good public speaker with a good economic rhetoric who can motivate people to vote.
edited 16th Nov '16 1:24:32 PM by Draghinazzo
They also need to get their shit together enough by 2018 so they don't completely screw up the midterms.
Democratic voters meanwhile, need to remember that the midterms exist.
Hopefully even Trump and his den of vipers won't be able to completely fuck up the U.S.A in only two years.
edited 16th Nov '16 1:28:08 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedThat list shouldn't be taken as gospel by any means. For example, Amazon is on it for selling Trump clothing lines, and Trump has feuded bitterly with Bezos and Amazon all throughout the campaign
. So doing something boycotting or trying to punish Amazon would be a major case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Bush had the Iraq War going on to boost jingoism. I'm not sure what Trump will rely on, other than possibly trying to take credit for any upswing in the economy resulting from Obama's policies. That's the unfortunate thing, Republicans often cause economic messes that don't take place until after they're safely out of office and it's up to the Democrats to fix it, but likewise the effects don't pan out fast enough to keep them in office and then a Republican comes and takes credit for it afterwards. And people believe it because they have the memories of goldfish. Delayed consequences what?
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Part of that would require the Democrats pushing for more awareness of Congressional contests in general and encouraging civic action in general as a big part of their goals. Less damn television ads, more on-ground campaigning.
edited 16th Nov '16 2:05:20 PM by AlleyOop
Bush got support from 9/11 and Iraq looking like it was won, Trumpe not get a 9/11 and Iran won't be an easy win, plus the US population is a lot more war weary then it was in 2004.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIf Mr. "Iraq was a huge mistake and we should have never gotten into a war with them" Trump plans on invading Iran, his popularity is going to drop hard, especially since most Americans don't want a new war, and because Trump has a freakin' way to keep Iran from going Nuclear that he flagrantly is against!
Invading countries on false pretenses is only bad when Democrats do it. Or when Democrats try to extract us from a war that Republicans started. Or when a Democrat runs for office, having once supported a war that Republicans started on false pretenses. The logic is pretty tortured.
edited 16th Nov '16 2:01:17 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"First off, please don't encourage a military coup just because they guy you didn't like won, that's fucking idiotic.
Secondly, the Democratic party is in the same position the GOP was in earlier this year. And people were telling them tht they needed to drop their niche issues, appeal to minorities, become more attractice to the Left. And well... look how that turned out. Truth be told the DNC picked a shitty candidate (not that Bermie would have been too much better), and completely misread the trends of the public. They're in an awful position, but the idea that it's the death of progressivism is absurd.
Trump will likely face an uphill battle in 2020. If he doesn't properly satisfy the GOP Establishment he'll be dealing with their wrath, and if he doesn't properly satisfy the people he'll could very well see the waves of populism turn against him. He could certainly win, but he could also very well lose.
Honestly speaking, I am unsure how bad things could get under Trump. We know how he'll screw the pooch down the line with the SCOTUS appointments and climate change, but we literally do not know what the GOP wants now. They've been the niche interests and anti-Dem party for so long that once the pro-life, immigration, and gun control agendas are satisfied I genuinely believe we'll be at a loss.
Beyond that point the interests fracture off and break down so hard I'm not sure if they'll be able to agree on anything.
Donald Trump “Well, it’s a hoax. I think the scientists are having a lot of fun.”
North Korea Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un Speaking on behalf of Leader Kim, North Korea’s Foreign Minister said that his government would complete a large-scale tree-planting initiative over the next decade, which will help the “national effort to mitigate climate change by reducing greenhouse gas emissions”. Subsequently, North Korea signed the Paris climate agreement on April 22.
https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/www.sierraclub.org/files/uploads-wysiwig/TrumpVsWorld.pdf
Inb 4 the Republicans use this as a Hitler Ate Sugar moment to get people to turn against it.
In honesty I would be highly amused if the current chaos, isolationism, and geopolitical power struggles of the West leave an opening for various African nations to get their shit together and emerge as dominant forces. Especially with China investing in some of them.
edited 16th Nov '16 2:26:27 PM by AlleyOop

Why not? He hasn't been elected yet. That vote's in December.
They aren't going to, of course, but for the sake of hypothetical: between the popular vote and the electors entering their choices, what's to stop a candidate from booting his running mate and picking someone new at the last second? It's not like anyone's been sworn in yet.
IIRC, aren't people currently serving in military disallowed from issuing public statements of support for either candidate?
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