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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Ah, but see, the northern states had outlawed slavery. In their states, the institution does not exist. And therefore, any people who were slaves in teh south are not slaves in the North, meaning they cannot be property, and thus are no part of interstate commerce.
edited 16th Nov '16 7:18:56 AM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youAt the end of the day I think States are best employed as regional administrators. They help maintain the quality of life for Citizens within their borders, determine appropriate ways to comply with regulations, and deal with matters that are confined to their territory. Once you get into more big picture stuff like civil rights and education you have to develop some kind of standard that all citizens and municipalities are held to.
I don't even like taxation being handled at the state and local level. Do it all in one big batch and then make the allocation of funds an administrative issue between the governments in question. Are we a nation or not?
edited 16th Nov '16 7:24:09 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Re: States rights in the 10th Amendment: But there's also the 9th Amendment which reads
A 9th amendment defense is really hard to pull off in a legal argument but it is there.
hmmmm. That is actually entirely constitutionally justifiable. The 14th amendment enshrines the Federal government as the protector of a citizen's rights. Arguably, the 19th does as well.
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A nation is not some single type of thing, and a nation's status is not a boolean.
edited 16th Nov '16 7:25:43 AM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youMany of the states still imagine themselves as sovereign entities that have merely agreed to abide by certain common rules over the centuries. (sigh) When will we get rid of these antiquated ideas about governance?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The professor who predicted every presidential election since 84 now predicts that Trump will be impeached.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Sooooooo. Trump seems to be taking Obama's advice that "You don't have to talk to the press outside of press conferences" thing to heart.
And the press (specifically NBC news) is, of course, tearing into him for it, calling it an "ominous sign that the Trump admin. could be the least accessible admin. to the public and the press in modern history".
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youTrump could very easily be the first American President we actually Impeach, considering I have little faith in his administration to not be filled with bigots and cronies who would love nothing more then siphon money into their pockets. Whether Trump could get away with it, or if he has to pull a Nixon (resigning then having his VP pardon him) is up for debate.
Trumps Administration will most likely be the most corrupt Administration America has had since Warren G. Harding.
Country over Party, indeed.
Strange Bedfellows.
edited 16th Nov '16 7:48:43 AM by PotatoesRock
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Yeah, Pence is some pretty good impeachment insurance for Trump, and it's not like Paul Ryan would be a dramatic improvement if both of them were to be canned.
If there's one thing that Lindsey Graham can be counted on for, it's neoconservative jingoism. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
edited 16th Nov '16 7:49:30 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Yep. Pence is pretty much just a particularly nasty and bigoted Republican. He's not really "anti-establishment" or part of the xenophobic populism that got Trump elected. The only people who will rally around him are the religious bigots just like him. Obviously other republican voters will fall in line with him but he isn't exactly someone who will garner much enthusiasm.
Fighteer: there's a legitimate argument for varying levels of government. Issues that affect a particular state may not affect the rest of the nation. Issues that affect a municipality may not affect the rest of the state. Government is not "one size fits all" and not everything needs to be handled at the federal level.
That doesn't mean that nothing needs to be handled at the federal level, but acting as if state governments are a pointless anachronism is taking it a bit too far.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

You could argue the fugitive slave act was the domain of interstate trade, as property moved across state lines.