Nov 2023 Mod notice:
There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.
If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations
and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines
before posting here.
Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.
If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules
when posting here.
In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Lawrence O'Donell is positing that the longer Trump goes without fulfilling all these basic positions the better off the American public will be, since then the vast beauracracy that stays in place permanently will remain and continue to do the work. Which uh... is a sad thing to hope for.
@IF; It's frustrating that we have to keep asking people to stop with the death wishes.
And here's a thing on Bannon that may prevent his appointment.
![]()
Hard to manage a force when all the directors hate you for being you.
Seriously, I think Cruz is the absolute worst choice (or best if you want Trump's "justice" platform to implode) to manage anything. Guy can't walk in and out of a room without everyone in it wanting to punch his smug face.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.The other thing about this "team" Trump is attempting to put together. When a bureaucracy has someone in charge who doesn't even know how to properly give orders which, let's be real, is going to happen here, the bureaucracy is just going to ignore them and maintain the status quo.
Especially when the person in charge doesn't even know how to properly follow up. The next level down from the head is the group that's really in charge in those situations. Or quite possibly the head's secretary.
edited 15th Nov '16 7:48:09 PM by Zendervai
I would not be surprised if Bannon ends up having to forfeit the position. It would only be fitting given the complete and utter travesty and shitshow the Trump administration is turning out to be atm, between so many people leaving, the complete lack of confidence in its ability to guarantee a political future for any people involved in it, and the extremely unprofessional appointment website application form they have set up. Like, has any transition period in US history been this embarrassing and incompetent?
I'm not getting my hopes up but it would be really great for our morale if it turned out to be the case.
edited 15th Nov '16 8:05:54 PM by Draghinazzo
Depends on what you mean by "backing down". He regularly flipflops on a lot of shit. He doesn't seem particularly difficult to influence, so it might be possible for someone to convince him that dropping him might be a good idea if Trump was able to benefit from it somehow.
edited 15th Nov '16 8:10:03 PM by Draghinazzo
Well that's not really accurate. Chris Christie got kicked off because Trump's son in law who is basically his real VP didn't like him
If anything, that just sets a new standard for Reality Is Unrealistic.
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyI think there's a difference between Bannon and the shit Trump says. Trump says all sorts of shit he doesn't mean and flip flops back and forth coz that's just his sales pitch. Bannon is Trump's active, conscious pick onto his board of directors. Questioning the CEO's pick is to question the CEO's ability to make decisions and of the CEO himself.
edit: if we're getting the Game of Thrones administration...we gonna have a Red Wedding?
edited 15th Nov '16 8:31:20 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Of course, if Trump's popularity goes belly-up in his term, it would take Cruz with him, which would definitely be a plus...
... If Cruz were smart, he would reject it, but we all know he's really just a power-hungry jack-hole.