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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#155626: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:39:07 PM

[up] I was thinking the same thing, until I remembered that he would be the one responsible for actually getting the active deportation's done. And knowing Cruz, he would do it and not feel bad about it.

Of course, if Trump's popularity goes belly-up in his term, it would take Cruz with him, which would definitely be a plus...

... If Cruz were smart, he would reject it, but we all know he's really just a power-hungry jack-hole.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155627: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:39:16 PM

Lawrence O'Donell is positing that the longer Trump goes without fulfilling all these basic positions the better off the American public will be, since then the vast beauracracy that stays in place permanently will remain and continue to do the work. Which uh... is a sad thing to hope for.

@IF; It's frustrating that we have to keep asking people to stop with the death wishes.

And here's a thing on Bannon that may prevent his appointment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-bannon-hit-with-serious-fbi-federal-election_us_582b772ae4b0a904ef59ece6

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#155628: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:44:00 PM

[up][up]Hard to manage a force when all the directors hate you for being you.

Seriously, I think Cruz is the absolute worst choice (or best if you want Trump's "justice" platform to implode) to manage anything. Guy can't walk in and out of a room without everyone in it wanting to punch his smug face.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#155629: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:44:57 PM

The other thing about this "team" Trump is attempting to put together. When a bureaucracy has someone in charge who doesn't even know how to properly give orders which, let's be real, is going to happen here, the bureaucracy is just going to ignore them and maintain the status quo.

Especially when the person in charge doesn't even know how to properly follow up. The next level down from the head is the group that's really in charge in those situations. Or quite possibly the head's secretary.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:48:09 PM by Zendervai

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#155630: Nov 15th 2016 at 7:52:31 PM

Sorry, forgot to put the Joking mode pothole. In my defense, it's almost 1 AM where I leave. I'll just remove it.

edited 15th Nov '16 7:54:24 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155631: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:01:09 PM

I would not be surprised if Bannon ends up having to forfeit the position. It would only be fitting given the complete and utter travesty and shitshow the Trump administration is turning out to be atm, between so many people leaving, the complete lack of confidence in its ability to guarantee a political future for any people involved in it, and the extremely unprofessional appointment website application form they have set up. Like, has any transition period in US history been this embarrassing and incompetent?

I'm not getting my hopes up but it would be really great for our morale if it turned out to be the case.

edited 15th Nov '16 8:05:54 PM by Draghinazzo

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#155632: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:07:49 PM

Has Trump ever backed down on anything? He always go for the double down instead. All this criticism about his choice of Bannon is going to infuriate him...

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#155633: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:09:19 PM

[up] Trump doesn't back down, but he does flip-flop. Christie use to be a part of his Transition Team, but he was kicked off (or left) because of Bridgegate. I wouldn't be surprised if the same befell Bannon. Trump would simply say "We parted ways, is all."

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155634: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:09:44 PM

Depends on what you mean by "backing down". He regularly flipflops on a lot of shit. He doesn't seem particularly difficult to influence, so it might be possible for someone to convince him that dropping him might be a good idea if Trump was able to benefit from it somehow.

[nja]

edited 15th Nov '16 8:10:03 PM by Draghinazzo

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155635: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:10:03 PM

He backed down on the threat to jail Clinton, is flip flopping on the ACA, and abortion, and appears to be waffling on the WALL and it seems the Republicans on Congress are basically gonna write the laws on that and make him sign it.

SO yeah, he backs down on things he doesn't fucking care about.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#155636: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:13:30 PM

The wall isn't happening, there is no way the Republicans in Congress will give him the $40+ billion he needs to build (plus more money to staff and maintain the thing) it.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#155637: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:14:28 PM

Based on the hang ups over national security, it sounds like a thaw with Russia is something Trump actually cares about. How convinient.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155638: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:14:58 PM

The spirit of the thing could be fulfilled by draconian deportation policies and beefing up the Border Police.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155639: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:17:03 PM

[up][up] Isn't Trump more or less beholden to russian interests because of his investments there anyways?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#155640: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:20:30 PM

Trump is nothing less than a walking conflict-of-interest disaster waiting to happen.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#155641: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:21:37 PM

Trump doesn't back down, but he does flip-flop. Christie use to be a part of his Transition Team, but he was kicked off (or left) because of Bridgegate. I wouldn't be surprised if the same befell Bannon. Trump would simply say "We parted ways, is all."

Well that's not really accurate. Chris Christie got kicked off because Trump's son in law who is basically his real VP didn't like him

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155642: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:22:50 PM

Christie prosecuted and jailed Kushner's father, so I'd say it was more than mere dislike.

This is gonna be like watching Game of Thrones. This is Game of Thrones, right?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155643: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:23:42 PM

[up]It's funny that you mention that because I was going to say:

This would make for some pretty great TV if it wasn't real.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#155644: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:25:22 PM

[up] and they said House of Cards wasn't realistic...

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#155645: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:25:33 PM

If anything, that just sets a new standard for Reality Is Unrealistic.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155646: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:26:27 PM

Please note that I have never seen or read Game of Thrones but will consider what's about to happen as real world AU fanfic of that show.

dysphere Since: Jan, 2015
#155647: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:27:25 PM

I was going to suggest it wasn't Game of Thrones-like because of the lack of incest, but then I remembered Trump admitted he was attracted to his daughter. I can't tell which one I'll get more tired of hearing about first, Game of Thrones or a Trump presidency.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#155648: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:28:07 PM

Turns out House of Cards is unrealistic because it over-estimates the competence of politicians.

Because, really, that's the thing. If Trump is fiction, he's poorly-written fiction.

edited 15th Nov '16 8:29:14 PM by Gilphon

dysphere Since: Jan, 2015
#155649: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:28:56 PM

And under a House of Cards model, Hillary Clinton would have won.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#155650: Nov 15th 2016 at 8:30:13 PM

I think there's a difference between Bannon and the shit Trump says. Trump says all sorts of shit he doesn't mean and flip flops back and forth coz that's just his sales pitch. Bannon is Trump's active, conscious pick onto his board of directors. Questioning the CEO's pick is to question the CEO's ability to make decisions and of the CEO himself.

edit: if we're getting the Game of Thrones administration...we gonna have a Red Wedding?

edited 15th Nov '16 8:31:20 PM by nightwyrm_zero


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