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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155551: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:36:36 PM

[up][up][up][up]Look my dad was a climate change denier for a long time, he eventually wised up even if it took longer than I would've liked. People can change. And some of my uncles, cousins, and great-relatives who are otherwise good folks still don't believe in it, because they've been brainwashed by the Republican machine since they were let into the country. I'm not about to call for any of their heads.

Also more than a few members of my family would know a thing or two about political purges and why they're terrible, and so are the people advocating for them.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:46:35 PM by AlleyOop

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#155552: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:41:22 PM

We used to have a (mostly) civil discussion here, where's it gone now?

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155553: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:42:31 PM

[up] Out the window due to climate change and France might not be able to do anything to stop the US's suicidal actions.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#155554: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:42:45 PM

A bunch of new people entered the thread after the election, that's what happened.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155555: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:42:53 PM

I don't know, but Bat you really ought to see a shrink or something. This isn't the first time they've posted in this thread about taking pleasure in the deaths of people they don't like, even if it's in the form of glee over gunning down fake US soldiers in video games.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:43:31 PM by AlleyOop

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#155556: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:45:18 PM

Well to be fair, the US would need to try really hard to screw the entire planet in just 4 years.

So while Trump's team is a setback it isn't an end of the world setback.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#155557: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:47:42 PM

I'm not so sure, with the way climate change is progressing we need action now, not in four years, or eight. This has set us back by a decade if we are very lucky.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155558: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:47:55 PM

We used to have a (mostly) civil discussion here, where's it gone now?

The results of the election have left a lot of people very upset.

Also, what Ambar said.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#155559: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:47:58 PM

And it's not like we can't put concentrated effort in the private sector to try to mitigate some of the damage. It's a kind of pseudo-vigilantism, but short of the Trump government being so petty that they abuse their power to stymie the private sector growth of renewable energy technologies it's not impossible, even if we have to work hard and possibly make some sacrifices for it.

[up][up] The thing is some climate change scientists have said the window of time to reverse it is drawing to a close and if we don't take action right this moment it could be too late forever. I can understand why some people would panic at the knowledge even if I don't agree with how they plan to resolve it.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:53:17 PM by AlleyOop

nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#155560: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:48:15 PM

A general warning that the tone of this thread is rapidly transitioning from "thumps" to "suspensions" worthy, due to talk of purging. Knock it off.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155561: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:52:24 PM

[up][up] I think the Trump administration IS petty, but probably not to that level.

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#155562: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:56:23 PM

The thing is some climate change scientists have said the window of time to reverse it is drawing to a close and if we don't take action right this moment it could be too late forever.

I've actually heard some give it as 2009. I don't know if that's a good thing or not...

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155563: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:56:27 PM

My physical health is fine, but I think my mental health has been declining in recent years. I constantly switch weapons in online video games to either match countries in continents that I like from best to worst or from the highest to lowest amount of weapons in a continent currently, rebuying games and selling them after I'm done switching weapons in them. I do everything on a schedule, always doing something at a specific time. I have a short temper and am very passionate about what the stuff I like to the point that I get furious when someone is negative/talks trash about them and/or it fails due to people not liking it as much as me.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:57:12 PM by Bat178

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#155565: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:59:25 PM

[up][up]See a medical professional. Serious suggestion here.

Glenn Beck got better after taking new meds. Mental problems are as serious and should be treated the same way as any physical illness.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:03:56 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#155566: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:59:50 PM

@Mods: Can we please specifically put Bat on notice here? Other people here, yeah, ok the thread is in post-election freakout mode, but for him this has been a pattern. Rarely if ever does he have anything constructive to say.

Edit: And if, as he says, he has anger control issues, this thread is the wrong place for him.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:02:18 PM by Elle

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155567: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:01:35 PM

Or just from this topic, if that is possible?

nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#155568: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:06:06 PM

Back on topic, please (i.e. no more discussion about a single troper's mental health).

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#155570: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:18:04 PM

I think no man represents better the Republican Party's How the Mighty Have Fallen as John Mc Cain. Who, while very disagreeable, still felt like a respectable man you could reason with. The fact he firmly stood against Trump throughout his entire candidacy somewhat highlights this.
He stepped in fully behind Trump actually. Which, honestly, left me very disappointed. Mc Cain lost his moral high ground long ago. I understand why he did what he did - to retain political power - but that's the consequences of his actions. And on top of that, backing the guy who mocked him for becoming a POW just makes him look spineless.

The only Republican who I've come to respect more after this election (well, besides Beck I guess) is probably Mitt Romney. He consistently refused to back Trump during the election, and called this whole mess right from the start.

EDIT: How do you embed videos?

Can we not fucking talk about purging anyone? Thenardier is right, this thread is turning into a propaganda piece for the right wing to convince people in the middle about how dangerous and loony the left are.
Yaaaaay, I got mentioned.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:18:14 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155571: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:20:28 PM

Here's something I've been pondering: do you guys think that, historically, environmental issues have gotten sufficient attention in the american political discourse, especially in the last few years?

Because it seems like things are going to be extremely bad but people were (understandably) a lot more focused on the xenophobia and populism plaguing the country, but it seems like the disastrous effects the Trump presidency would have had on the environment were not really talked about that much given how important it was to prevent them.

I mean, I get that climate change is a long term thing and people are more worried about tangible problems in their everyday lives, but it seems like we might be paying the price for that now.

[up]There's also Colin Powell who honestly fits more in the Democratic party these days given his beliefs.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:21:36 PM by Draghinazzo

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#155572: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:23:40 PM

[up][up][up]They're still against nuclear power. Nuclear has zero carbon emissions; environmentalists should be supporting it. But no, anything "nuclear" is evil...

edited 15th Nov '16 5:24:45 PM by pwiegle

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155573: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:23:57 PM

Mitt Romney is in the cushy position of no longer having to give a fuck how his opinion of Trump affects his career, as well as being a Mormon, a people who have oft been mentioned to put a great deal of stock in people who act and behave with dignity and respect. He's kind of an outlier in some respects. I'd never thought I'd be looking back on that guy with something approaching nostalgia, but you know, that guy actually went into the whole affair with a fucking plan.

@Bat and others; America has not doomed the world. The rest of the world does, in fact, have some influence on what's going on with climate change. Plus, with economic factors rendering things like coal obsolete, well, we're going to have to change whether others like it or not. We're trending towards greener energies largely because that's not just where liberal values lie, but because that's where the money is.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:26:21 PM by AceofSpades

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#155574: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:26:05 PM

Mitt Romney is in the cushy position of no longer having to give a fuck how his opinion of Trump affects his career, as well as being a Mormon, a people who have oft been mentioned to put a great deal of stock in people who act and behave with dignity and respect.
Tell that to the Utahns.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:29:46 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155575: Nov 15th 2016 at 5:26:30 PM

[up][up][up] One of the reasons I couldn't take Jill Stein seriously as a candidate.

edited 15th Nov '16 5:26:49 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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