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#155501: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:33:42 PM

It boggles me that we even need to ask this question. Is this not the literal exact f*cking thing that we declared independence over? Having representation and a voice in the laws that govern us? Is that not the entire basis of why we even are a country?
I think I read on this thread that they use the words "Taxation without representation" as a loophole by not taxing the territories.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#155502: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:48:06 PM

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics, and I did not speak out because I was not a Catholic.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out.

— Martin Niemoller

Chances are, no matter how white/male/straight you may be, there's something about you that the alt-right can find to hate. (I'm white, male, straight, middle class, pro-gun — but I'm also non-religious and pro-choice. That's two strikes right there, that I can think of...)

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#155503: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:49:58 PM

Ex-Intelligence Chairman Rogers Leaves Trump Transition Team

McCain to Trump: Don't cozy up to Putin

How Trump could divide his time in the 66 days until he’s president

(Trump only sleeps 2 to 4 hours a night even before entering the White House)

National Security Hands Nervous Over Accepting Gigs In Trump White House: To Trump or not to Trump?

(Giulianni's appointment was a signal to serious wonks: "Don't apply for the job". Which is having the effect of Trump finding it hard to get people willing to take the jobs.)

(Wash. Examiner) Lost in transition: Team Trump a no-show at DoD (This isn't normal)

Den. Of. Vipers.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155504: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:50:47 PM

I actually don't think the alt-right specifically cares about either of those, but the people in charge right now are basically the Legion of Doom so there's more traditional religious fundamentalists there as well.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155505: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:51:47 PM

Ugh, Trump's people aren't even in power yet, and they are already being a colossal pain in the ass.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#155506: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:53:42 PM

Noam Chomsky believes the Republican Party may be the most dangerous Organization in human history

On Nov. 8, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) delivered a report at the international conference on climate change in Morocco (COP 22) which was called in order to carry forward the Paris agreement of COP 21. The WMO reported that the past five years were the hottest on record. It reported rising sea levels, soon to increase as a result of the unexpectedly rapid melting of polar ice, most ominously the huge Antarctic glaciers. Already, Arctic sea ice over the past five years is 28 percent below the average of the previous 29 years, not only raising sea levels, but also reducing the cooling effect of polar ice reflection of solar rays, thereby accelerating the grim effects of global warming. The WMO reported further that temperatures are approaching dangerously close to the goal established by COP 21, along with other dire reports and forecasts.

Another event took place on November 8, which also may turn out to be of unusual historical significance for reasons that, once again, were barely noted.

On November 8, the most powerful country in world history, which will set its stamp on what comes next, had an election. The outcome placed total control of the government—executive, Congress, the Supreme Court—in the hands of the Republican Party, which has become the most dangerous organization in world history.

Apart from the last phrase, all of this is uncontroversial. The last phrase may seem outlandish, even outrageous. But is it? The facts suggest otherwise. The Party is dedicated to racing as rapidly as possible to destruction of organized human life. There is no historical precedent for such a stand.

Is this an exaggeration? Consider what we have just been witnessing.

During the Republican primaries, every candidate denied that what is happening is happening—with the exception of the sensible moderates, like Jeb Bush, who said it’s all uncertain, but we don’t have to do anything because we’re producing more natural gas, thanks to fracking. Or John Kasich, who agreed that global warming is taking place, but added that “we are going to burn [coal] in Ohio and we are not going to apologize for it.”

The winning candidate, now the president-elect, calls for rapid increase in use of fossil fuels, including coal; dismantling of regulations; rejection of help to developing countries that are seeking to move to sustainable energy; and in general, racing to the cliff as fast as possible.

Trump has already taken steps to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) by placing in charge of the EPA transition a notorious (and proud) climate change denier, Myron Ebell. Trump’s top adviser on energy, billionaire oil executive Harold Hamm, announced his expectations, which were predictable: dismantling regulations, tax cuts for the industry (and the wealthy and corporate sector generally), more fossil fuel production, lifting Obama’s temporary block on the Dakota Access pipeline. The market reacted quickly. Shares in energy corporations boomed, including the world’s largest coal miner, Peabody Energy, which had filed for bankruptcy, but after Trump’s victory, registered a 50 percent gain.

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#155507: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:55:02 PM
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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155508: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:55:30 PM

That's the GOP at large for you. They don't really care about long-term consequences, only about feeding their own greed, power, or religious fundamentalism.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#155509: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:57:12 PM

I am astonished by how disastrous this administration is being before it even starts,

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155510: Nov 15th 2016 at 3:58:47 PM

The EC needs to give an ultimatum: if Trump's team doesn't get their shit together, the EC will vote against him.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155511: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:00:00 PM

Wouldn't that still leave us in a bad position in terms of popular support for the Democrats?

I mean, morally, the EC SHOULD refuse to vote for him, but...

edited 15th Nov '16 4:00:27 PM by Draghinazzo

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#155512: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:00:42 PM

Also to keep in mind, the Republicans are literally, and I do mean, LITERALLY the only major political party in the world who collectively denies climate change is real or happening.

Even the Saudis are scared shitless at the long term implications.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#155513: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:02:41 PM
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Inter arma enim silent leges
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#155514: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:04:10 PM

@Climate Change: There has to be a way to change Trump's or the GOP's mind on this. Petitions? Lawsuits? Obama? There has to be something we can do about it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155515: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:05:08 PM

[up] We had our chance. It was the election.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#155516: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:05:18 PM

I have to wonder what leads one to deny climate change.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#155517: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:06:26 PM

[up] A bit of wishful thinking, and a lot of short-sighted greed.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155518: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:06:36 PM

Greed.[nja]

edited 15th Nov '16 4:06:46 PM by Draghinazzo

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#155519: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:06:48 PM

Yep, that is flat out horrifying. Especially since the Republicans constantly cite their incredibly disturbing variant of Christianity as their moral basis. Because the Bible only really brings up how we're supposed to treat the Earth once. And it says that we're supposed to be the Stewards. A steward (in that context) is someone who takes care of a property for an absentee owner. The steward is expected to either keep the property in the same shape, or to improve on it in reasonable ways. (Not so much now, but absolutely when that was written.)

The Republicans, to extend what a steward is supposed to be, are the ones who are asked to take care of a house...and then burn it to the ground and get confused when the owner is mad at them, because, after all, the owner was coming back at some point, so who cares? I have a feeling most of them are going to be horrified by what happens come judgement day.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#155520: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:08:11 PM

Ignorance being considered a laudable virtue by your party is one factor.

And sorry guys, but the American electorate (helped by the EC) fucked over humanity last week. Its done, and unless some innovation comes up we aren't going to be able to undo the damage.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:08:24 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#155521: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:08:39 PM

Even taking away the racism, shit like this makes it very hard to empathize with Trump voters.

They voted to end the world.

Quite literally in fact.

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#155522: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:11:06 PM

Yeah, There's a reason like... everyone I know has been in various states of Panic/Despair for the last week.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155523: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:12:12 PM
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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#155524: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:13:28 PM

I need to say it again.

Sixty million people collectively decided that the other 7 billion people on the planet's lives mean absolutely nothing to them because they're scared of the country getting browner.

Humanity was a mistake.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#155525: Nov 15th 2016 at 4:14:18 PM

[up] Then those other 7 billion should team up to take down those sixty million.

edited 15th Nov '16 4:14:31 PM by Bat178


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