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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yes, the Secret Service can shut down Fifth Avenue if the President is on Fifth Avenue since their duty is to ensure the safety of the President. Naturally, the Secret Service and the State of New York would prefer that Trump live in the White House because the White House is actually equipped to protect the President of the United States more efficiently than any other place on this planet is.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyCase in point: right now we're seeing a huge wave of reactionary xenophobia and racism across the country, best exemplified by the people who were put into power just now.
Hard to say since people voted for Trump for a variety of reasons. His more naive supporters more focused on economic issues would probably realize he was a fraud and become very disillusioned. The alt-right might be demoralized but consoled by the fact that there'd still be a bunch of white-supremacists in power atm.
edited 15th Nov '16 1:39:23 PM by Draghinazzo
If history taught us anything is that there is no shortage of people wanting wrong because they benefit from it or don't want anything to disturb their status quo.
Hell, in this election cycle I've seen serious arguments over removing the 19th amendment because women usually vote Democrat.
Inter arma enim silent legesBense, I'm going to assume you ignored my "might have lead" commentary and just say you've got a very sky in the pie kind of vision regarding what the state governments were doing at the time.
You're basically also saying that people should have been content to wait another ten years to finally be granted their rights to such things education and housing and voting. I'm... seriously not sure how you can think that's justifiable, asking people who are looking to be given justice to wait that goddamn long when they had already been denied such their entire lives.
Do you know the phrase "Justice delayed is justice denied"? Because that's what's you're arguing for, in spirit.
edited 15th Nov '16 1:40:07 PM by AceofSpades
This has not been a good year for optimism. And there are many things that will keep people from doing the right thing.
Fear. ("I am losing what I had, someone has to be to blame for it.")
Privilege ("I am fine where I am, I don't need things to change.")
Ignorance ("I don't see that this is a problem, everyone around me says this is how things are supposed to be.")
Self-righteousness ("God said this is how things are supposed to be.")
These things and more have to be fought constantly and all of them apply to some degree when it comes to things like racism and sexism. "Evil wins when good men do nothing." And if evil won't back down, sometimes you have to drag them down kicking and screaming.
If doing wrong is easy or acceptable, then no amount of appealing to humanity's better nature will make civil rights a standardized reality. Sometimes, you need to put away the carrot and take out the stick.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."It's a shorter commute than Bush's frequent trips to Crawford. Depends on how frequently Trump wants to do it.
Or if he'll have to set up any private servers in Trump Tower to handle the workload.
This is going to be a shitshow of epic proportions, and if it weren't for the fact that many Americans are going to suffer over this, i'd just sit back and grab some potato chips (as i don't eat popcorn).
Democrat introducing bill to abolish Electoral College
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Seems unlikely to pass.
Still, worth a try.
Oh God! Natural light!Is this true? Especially after controlling for things like population growth. Anyway as much as I hate the Electoral College I still wonder if there can be a way to modify it as an actual barrier against populist tyranny. Though if they let Trump in then it's clearly not doing its intended job anyway and a bureaucratic waste of time.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:06:24 PM by AlleyOop
edited 15th Nov '16 2:05:27 PM by nervmeister
Yes, I would be willing to accept a 10-year delay in being granted civil rights if that delay would ensure that the grant was permanent.
Convincing your oppressors that you're right and they're wrong is as permanent as it gets.
Imposing your will on others only lasts as long as you have superior power.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:15:12 PM by Bense
Convincing you're oppressors that you're right and they're wrong is as permanent as it gets.
You're seriously underestimating the amount of reactionary hatred and bigotry in this country, and humanity in general. Some people (enough to matter) will never accept giving you rights.
Appeals to morality are great tools but if we were solely reliant on them we'd probably not be where we are now.
edited 15th Nov '16 2:15:01 PM by Draghinazzo
Not from their perspective
edited 15th Nov '16 2:14:34 PM by nervmeister
Do I really need to bring back that Martin Luther King quote again? Because I will.
Oh God! Natural light!

The idea that time is one great waterslide toward the direction of Progress is a very dangerous one to hold. It makes progress and liberal ideals sound inevitable, when really it's taken decades and decades of fighting to even get where we are now. People have had to spend their lives fighting, and then die, to shift societal outlooks forward even a little.
It's been fun.