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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#154576: Nov 13th 2016 at 1:57:46 AM

Who the fuck is George Soros anyway, beyond some vague boogeyman of the right? He gets blamed for just about everything people don't like about the left. Even my Republican uncles keep accusing him of everything under the sun.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154577: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:03:55 AM

[up] He's a Hungarian-born billionaire hedge-fund manager who has occasionally supported leftist organizations like Media Matters.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CosmicButtMonkey Probably has undiagnosed mild autism from An eternal abyss of apathy Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Probably has undiagnosed mild autism
#154578: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:05:57 AM

Also according to the internet he eats puppies killed JFK and worships Satan. /s

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#154579: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:07:28 AM

George Soros made himself a huge deal of money in stock trading, hedge funds and currency speculation. After figuring that he'd earned enough to last himself a lifetime, he decided to enter the world of philanthropy.

He started out trying to fund folks working towards establishing functioning democracies in Eastern Europe and Russia. Well, we know how that turned out.

So nowadays he funds organisations ostensibly on the left in the US. This has went over with the American Far Right about as well as you expect it to.

His Jewish heritage has also resulted in a lot of blatantly anti-Semitic rhetoric and conspiracy theories launched his way by pretty much everyone with a large audience who has a reason to dislike him, from Bill O'Reilly to Mahathir Mohamad.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#154580: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:10:59 AM

The closest comparison I can think of is the liberal equivalent of the Koch brothers, but where their political business is relatively straightforward and scrutinized accordingly, Soros is accused of having a hand in everything. At least from what I've seen.

edited 13th Nov '16 2:11:06 AM by Eschaton

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154581: Nov 13th 2016 at 2:23:39 AM

[up] Doesn't help that his last name is a palindrome and sounds like the name of a Bond villain.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#154582: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:22:16 AM

Not sure where you're getting that Sanders is going to be the de facto leader, seeing as there are, in fact, other players in the Democratic party. Plus, I repeat an old saw from the primaries, he hasn't even been an official Democrat for very long. I'm not sure they'd accept him as a leader just now based on that alone.
He's not going to be a De Facto leader, but anyone with half a brain in the party is going to accept he's a major power player now that the Third Way Democrats (i.e. the guys from Bill and Hillary's wing of the party), just basically discredited themselves.

The party doesn't have a core leader at the moment, but in the face of the complete fuck up by the Third Wayers, you're probably going to see Warren, Ellison and Sanders rise in political weight in the party. Nancy Pelosi is the leader in the House and Schumer is the leader in the Senate. And to be fair, for the most part, parties are typically multi-polar in terms of influence. And Schumer's essentially signaled he's behind the Progressive Wing's power players (Ellison, Warren, Sanders) even if he's more in line with the Third Way wing.

But in all likelihood, the Progressive wing is going to be ascendant in terms of power and weight. It's like how Shinra noted months ago, the Republicans' war hawk wing was essentially discredited because of the Bush Jr. Administration, leading to the Tea Party/Evangelical wing.

Sanders isn't going to be the De Facto leader but it would be absurd to assume he isn't going to be of significant influence within the power structure of the Party going forward. (Especially when he and Warren are very much liked by the party's younger voters)

edited 13th Nov '16 3:23:48 AM by PotatoesRock

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#154583: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:24:07 AM

I presume that Obama-ites may also have a chance now, seeing as Obama did win his elections...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#154584: Nov 13th 2016 at 3:43:13 AM

Obama I'm not sure what wing of the party he's quite in. I'm pretty sure he's more tied to the Third Way wing in terms of influence and who he's working with, but he's also avoided discrediting himself by backing a fair number of the Progressive Wing's policies while in office. (And remains Cool Old Guy with younger voters within reason.). So Obama and other similar politicians are likely to have a lot of weight. (I'm thinking Schumer is in this category of More from the Third Way branch, but knows which way the wind is blowing.)

What mostly got decapitated here was the Third Way and The "Clinton Machine" as it's called. Hillary herself I see walking away gracefully, but horey shit the Centrist wonks, punditry and the like that mushroomed from the Clinton and co allies' takeover of the party in the 80s and 90s are going to be hissing, howling and screaming as their mix of Left Social Positions and Right Wing Economic Positions are going to be pushed against by the Progressive Wing.

[Drinks]

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#154585: Nov 13th 2016 at 4:09:44 AM

Anything new since 9 pages ago?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#154586: Nov 13th 2016 at 4:48:17 AM

Well, those are what I think are the highlights.

[down]Winner!

edited 13th Nov '16 5:08:45 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#154587: Nov 13th 2016 at 4:50:49 AM

I also found a jolly rancher in my desk.

It's blue raspberry

Oh really when?
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#154589: Nov 13th 2016 at 5:26:01 AM

And the guy that admitted (claimed?) to have Antisocial personality disorder.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154590: Nov 13th 2016 at 5:37:16 AM

It's kind of a cold comfort that everyone who voted against Trump will probably have reasons to shout "I told you so" to all of his supporters in the coming years.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154591: Nov 13th 2016 at 5:41:45 AM

Well, parts of 4chan are already having buyer's remorse. :p

The state of things is really gonna depend on what measures Trump and the GOP take regarding the economy and the state it's in come 2020.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#154592: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:07:32 AM

It's a good thing that the Paris agreement is already signed...the Republicans will try to wriggle out of it, but at least they will have a harder time to do it this time around. Though it would be better if we didn't have this discussion.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#154593: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:21:54 AM

That looks like it could prove to be a pretty cold comfort (or a far-too-warm warm comfort, more like), since Trump and his Death Eaters are indeed already looking into ways to weasel out of it, four-year stipulation or no four-year stipulation. It's not like the future of the entire human race could be on the line or anything.

You know, as shit as 2016 has been as a year? Something tells me we ain't seen nothing yet.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154594: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:27:43 AM

[up] At this point, the only chance we've got is if they fail to find a way out in two years. Then — assuming the DNC has learned the right lessons from this election cycle — the Dems might gain enough congressional seats to challenge any attempt to leave the treaty.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#154595: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:30:04 AM

Comey aside, what's FBI's game plan here? Not get defunded or something? Comey becoming Hoover?

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#154596: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:42:07 AM

Comey probably looking for a cushy job in the Movement Conservative Conveyor Belt, at an Equity Firm or some garbage.

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#154597: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:51:33 AM

Right now our priority shouldn't be 2020 but 2018. I don't know what the chances are, IIRC there are more vulnerable Democratic seats than Republican but they only have to add two more to take control.

Also there are Canadians encouraging the west coast to defect? Why not the northeast? (Pout)

Trump delenda est
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#154599: Nov 13th 2016 at 6:58:44 AM

RE: Canada offering to annex the West Coast: If that happens, they will still get affected by what the Republican clique about to control all three branches of the American government intend to do against Net Neutrality, right?

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