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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Has anything like that ever even happened in US history? Like a candidate being declared President-Elect but the votes finished counting and they don't have the 270 anymore?
I'm not even going to dare hope Trump isn't gonna become President, but I would be interested to see if something like that has happened before.
edited 12th Nov '16 6:37:01 PM by Draghinazzo
Canada inviting California, Washington and Oregon to join them as new provinces.
Yes, please. Save me Canada.
Just how wide is the popular vote right now? I imagine it would only do any good if they're all happening in swing states like Florida. If it turns out the entire states of Cali and New England voted for her to a person it wouldn't matter anyway because those states are already pledged to her.
edited 12th Nov '16 6:38:44 PM by AlleyOop
re: social media, he's more right than he will ever be conscious of.
Benedict Anderson,
famous writer on nationalism and the creation of "imagined communities,"
was frequently asked about the developing role of the internet, and in one interview back in 1996
he doubted that the internet could ever get someone elected president.
Obviously, things have changed a lot in the last 20 years, and it's Zuckerburg being put in focus rather than Gates, with social media providing that fundamental "real people" element.
And I'm almost glad he was wrong, because that means there's more room for new scholars to work with.
edited 12th Nov '16 6:43:11 PM by Eschaton
How much in percentage? Anyway this talk about social media, misleading propaganda, and echo chambers is eerily reminiscent of the AI Colonel's speech in MGS 2 by the way.
Unless it's Maine or Nebraska, which award some of their votes via district.
Which wouldn't matter in this case. But, y'know, it's a way the system can be improved without overhauling it completely.
But- a bunch more votes in states like NY and Cali might not overturn the result, but it would derail narratives about Hillary being a weak candidate who couldn't get people to vote for her, as well as robbing Trump of legitimacy he desperately needs.
I recall one of my history teachers defending the EC once. I don't remember what he said, exactly, since this was almost 9 years ago, but he did mention that compared to Brazil (where I live), the US has had a lot more political stability in its regime despite the EC. On that front he isn't wrong, because you guys have never been in a dictatorship as far as I know. We've had at least two.
He was a pretty intelligent, knowledgeable guy in most areas, but I can't help but feel he'd have to eat a lot of crow depending on how Trump acts in the presidency.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:03:49 PM by Draghinazzo
I think the reasoning fo Brazil's more "fragile" democracy have nothing to do with Electoral College and have more complex, strange historical reasons.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."The west coast leaving the US would be a bad idea for a wide variety of reasons. Which should be obvious.
But, even though I brought it up- the thing about awarding votes proportionally is that it would probably take a state-level referendum to change that, which ensures that the people with political motivation to want the change are always going to be the people who currently don't have the votes to achieve it.
Social media: While I'm reluctant to finger social media as the reason for a Trump election, it has enabled the false equivalencies and continued spreading of points refuted a thousand times
that have been especially noticeable with this US election. It's a Gish Gallop writ large, as instead of one man attempting to overwhelm their opponent with a barrage of lies and gibberish, it's thousands of people, pages and their converts spreading them like a disinformation pyramid scheme.
@Canada getting the West Coast, a few reporters suggesting it doesn't count as an "invite".
Personally, I'm very opposed to such an idea. I don't want to become a minority (in the civic/national identity sense, not the racial sense. Letting those states into Canada would mean that there would be more Americans than Canadians here) in my own country, we'd be instantly dominated by Americans. And I do not see that many Americans, even West Coast Americans, integrating into Canada that well. Especially when they'd be well over 50% of the population.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Brazil doesn't have much for checks and balances like the US does, given how our Judiciary has almost no power and the Legislative can effectively control the country with the Executive branch, means one a party gets a majority in the congress and senate and elect a president, this means the country is effectively theirs.
Which is something that is potentially close to happen since the Reps have control of nearly all branches of the government.
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Don't even mention it, I've come across a bunch of Neo-Nazi pages after checking the profile or Nazi apologists spamming some of the science and history pages I like to keep tabs with and their neo-nazi group pages are still there after I filed hate speech complaints.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:19:20 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesIn reference to the previous page: yes Dubya did spend a lot of time in Texas. But he wasn't splitting literally half his time between the ranch and the White House. When he was in Texas he was there for significant chunks of time that made keeping security up fairly easy, and he did indeed spend most of his eight years at the White House. Like a normal president does. What Trump was apparently suggesting is that he could somehow just go back and forth throughout the week as he wanted. Someone is going to have to disabuse him of that notion.
Well, if Trump's even considering doing that in the first place, taking way too many vacation days, it seems very likely Pence is the one who will really be running things.
And, yes, I think Trump wanted to win and he liked having the rallies, but he doesn't want to do the job itself.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:20:39 PM by dysphere
My state didn't vote for Trump. We overwhelmingly supported Hillary. We shouldn't suffer for it.
Maybe we'll make her president of California. : p
Besides it's frustrating that we contribute more to the US than we get out of it and yet our vote is worth 3 times less than a vote from Wyoming.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:21:19 PM by MadSkillz
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Basically what only sets Facebook off is a glimpse of the female nipple. The less said about that fake charity site that used Gorn in an ad the better.
Trump wanting to stay in Trump Tower: Any estimates on what refitting the place for secure comms, improved security and the likes will cost? Sure, there's always digging into the affinity fraud piggy bank, but what happens to his business empire from here is still a big question. If there's one thing we know now businesspeople's evaluations of Trump are a bit different from that of the US populace.
edited 12th Nov '16 7:24:10 PM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

However, I'm finding it difficult to find statistics that support or disagree with me, maybe this is just my anxiety about being able to find decent work after school getting to me? Also, I'm getting the feeling it's going to become more difficult for people in STEM fields (especially environmental) during the Trump administration.
About affording school: here in Canada (and presumably the US) I assume you can get your schooling paid for if you're low income, but it's not a perfect system. For example, up until this year I wasn't able to apply for much in the way of assistance, because I needed my parent's tax information, which for certain reasons [[note: it's personal, I don't want to discuss the exact details with strangers on a public forum]] wasn't possible for me to get. I talked to the school administration and was told there was literally nothing I could do except wait until I was four years out of high school.
Sometimes situations like that happen, and you're stuck. I can't imagine what it's like for LGBT students that get kicked out of their homes, but I don't know if there's much that can be done in federal politics? Except not letting people like Pence get a hold of the White House, but I guess it's too late for that.
Also, while I don't know too much about how school funding is handled for low income students, I've seen poor American students crowdfund for the fees needed to pay for their textbooks and living expenses. This is anecdotal of course, but there still seems to be problems with the system that need to be addressed. And I now have no idea where I was going with this. Oh well.
edited 12th Nov '16 6:35:01 PM by Pseudopartition