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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#154351: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:09:08 PM

[up][up]From what he's saying in that post, and the few things I've seen from him during this campaign, I understood that part to be "since I've been in that place of fanaticism and realized how bad that was, I think I can help other people get out of this polarization".

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#154352: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:09:47 PM

I'd prefer a hybrid approach. Progressives, and Centrists, just so the far-left doesn't go too far outside of reality and to cater certain Democrats to specific regions.

A Democrat from California has entirely different sets of priorities than one from, say, Missouri or even West Virginia.

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Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#154353: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:12:18 PM

[up][up] lol again. Didn't Glenn Beck back Ted Cruz this election cycle? Y'know, Ted "Theocracy" Cruz? In some ways, I've heard him described as being worse than Trump. That's your example of someone who's divested themselves of fanaticism?

edited 12th Nov '16 12:13:02 PM by Gault

yey
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#154354: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:12:51 PM

A state-by-state approach like the one Howard Dean is suggesting would be the best approach, yes. As we've seen the country has a ton of Values Dissonance to get through, unsurprising since it's so big. Clinton's platform was a little one-size-fits-all.

Eerily this all reminds me of what happened to Eric Cantor in 2014, who was Senate Majority Leader until he got voted out of his senatorship because Virginians thought he focused too much on Congress and not enough on issues at the local level. We all laughed when that happened, but the Democrats didn't actually take the underlying lesson to heart.

edited 12th Nov '16 12:16:50 PM by AlleyOop

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#154355: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:13:04 PM

Lol, that's pretty much what his point is. The Democrats can't run completely slap shod, they have to focus on Local Level issues.

Which is probably why Chuck Schumer, who IS a Centrist, and the Leader of the party in the Senate, is backing Sanders and Warren's post-electoral choice for DNC chair, as Ellison's focus is to do Town Halls and the proverbial barn raising, essentially. Sanders' pretty much points out the party ignored local level concerns of their Voter base.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154356: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:14:52 PM

[up][up][up] Beck has become a lot more reasonable compared to who he used to be. He's stated that he thought backing Clinton was the only ethical decision to be made in this election, apologized for accusing Obama of hating white people, and said that now he has a better understanding of the struggles of african americans and how difficult it was for him to listen to them.

He's not perfect but he's not really a nutjob anymore.

edited 12th Nov '16 12:15:12 PM by Draghinazzo

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#154357: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:16:03 PM

Isn't that apparently because he's been taking medication now?

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#154358: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:17:23 PM

[up][up] Huh. Really? News to me. The main image I have of him is that gibbering nutcase writing circles on a chalk board to connect two completely disparate concepts, and that doing so somehow proved Obama was a secret Muslim Communist Kenyan.

Still though, Ted Cruz. This shit was recent.

edited 12th Nov '16 12:17:32 PM by Gault

yey
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#154359: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:18:40 PM

So, Glenn Beck just pulled a Heel–Face Turn?

The world has gone mad when Beck has gone sane.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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#154360: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:18:57 PM

Yeah Beck is proof now that some people on the right are strait up crazy, as he's started getting medicated for his issues he's become much more reasonable.

Beck, proof that all that stands being the right wing nutjobs and the rest of us is taking ones meds.

edited 12th Nov '16 12:19:39 PM by Silasw

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#154361: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:19:02 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Thanks, would've said that but you beat me to it.

edited 12th Nov '16 12:19:27 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#154362: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:25:51 PM

So, should we start slipping some medication on the food and water of the Republicans and maybe in the water supply of a few red states?

[up][up]Which is funny because, when I dealt with conspiracy theorists, it was painfully obvious a few of them had a mental illness of some sort, specially suffering from paranoia and bipolar disorders.

edited 12th Nov '16 12:27:27 PM by AngelusNox

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#154363: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:31:59 PM

IIRC Beck has been very understanding to BLM's message and got a ton of shit from the right for it. Proof that people can grow, if nothing else. He's still pretty tinpotty but I find myself agreeing with the core of his message.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#154364: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:33:40 PM

Granted, what I'm hearing is that Beck got medication for a condition that would literally rob him of mental functionality if untreated - not exactly something your average conspiracy theorist suffers from.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#154365: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:57:24 PM

So, is there anywhere to compare how Wikileaks framed something in an email and to what was actually happening? Because I've talked to this guy who basically seemed to be accepting them as fact and thinks that DNC/Clinton did in fact rig things against Sanders.

This isn't for him though; there's basically nothing to be said to him that could convince him isn't just a corporate shill with no substance. This is just for myself.

Arutema Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#154366: Nov 12th 2016 at 12:58:15 PM

[up][up]Some way to (re)train for an industry that hasn't collapsed without incurring crippling levels of student debt?

edited 12th Nov '16 12:58:27 PM by Arutema

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#154367: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:01:39 PM

You know, since Trump opened the door for celebrities to boldly seek the presidency... I can't help but wonder about Arnold Schwarzenegger running for the office. He served as Governor of California from 2003 to 2011, right? How well did he do?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#154368: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:02:00 PM

[up]Investment in solar power plants and installation to replace coal is one thing I can think of, but I'm not sure how efficient that would be. It's something people've been talking about for a while now. A narrative the Democrats might like to pursue is "green energy = more jobs", traditional manufacturing and coal industry is going to die whether you like it or not while renewables are still possibly new enough of an industry that they still require manpower instead of machines.

[up][up]Didn't the Californian government collapse for a period under him? Either way he can't run for president because he wasn't born here and the rules stipulate you have to be either born here or born to at least one US citizen parent. Though he was more of a social progressive big business guy than xenophobe, and had climate change in mind as seen by his carbon credits plan, so I'd accept him and Romney steering the Republican Party over the current nutjobs.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:07:06 PM by AlleyOop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154369: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:03:25 PM

Arnie's out of the question because he wasn't born in America.

I would however trust him a lot more than I would most Republicans because he said that he couldn't vote for Trump in good conscience and his views are mostly the result of growing up in communist eastern europe, which means I understand why he joined the Republican party to begin with.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:04:58 PM by Draghinazzo

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#154370: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:11:48 PM

The GOP has left Arnie behind, entirely. He believes in green energy/climate change, is mostly pro-choice, supports contraception access, at least supports same-sex partnerships (if not marriages), supports other LGBT rights including adoption, for medical weed, is very pro-gun control, and so forth.

He's a fiscal, tough on crime and immigration Republican in the Ronald Reagan mold. But his social positions have effectively made him a pariah in the party, though he's essentially left politics due to personal scandals/term limits.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#154371: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:14:18 PM

And you can only hold most of those positions in the GOP in the state he was in:

Cali-fucking-fornia.

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#154372: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:20:54 PM

Also, Schwarzenegger is ineligible to run because he's an Immigrant. The Constitution states that the President and Vice President must be Natural Citizens.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#154373: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:33:14 PM

Raise the minimum wage and make college educations free so people can get out of service jobs. That's what Sanders stood for and Clinton didn't.
Didn't Clinton adopt that into her platform? Anyway, I like the ideas y'all have put up, the only issue I have with minimum wage is, won't companies who use minimum wage workers just raise prices to match the wage increase? I know that's what my mother used to say when she was a small business owner, and I see it happen here whenever there's an increase.

Also, I see more and more people who get out of university who can't get a decent job after graduating.

It's hard to argue that capitalism in its current form is sustainable. People can talk about trickle-down economics all they want, but instead we got massive wealth inequality, and a small minority of people with more money than they could ever hope to use.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:33:32 PM by Pseudopartition

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#154374: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:35:44 PM

So this means there is at least one prediction The Simpsons didn't get right?

[up]It is argued under a Keynesian style economic policy, the gains with the increase consumer purchasing power provided by the workers being paid more would outstrip the inflationary pressure of the wage rise.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:37:29 PM by AngelusNox

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#154375: Nov 12th 2016 at 1:40:42 PM

Only because they were ripping off Demolition Man.

edited 12th Nov '16 1:40:54 PM by Deadbeatloser22

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