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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#154276: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:01:22 AM

True. They're a symptom not a source. But as long as there are symptoms, we hunt for the source.

edited 12th Nov '16 8:01:55 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154277: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:04:09 AM

The New York Times has an article specifically about the anxiety of americans who are in fear of or have already lost their jobs.

The silver lining here is that many of them seem to be prepared to turn on Trump if he doesn't deliver, and some of them didn't care for his bigotry but were just desperate to stay in the middle class. It really reinforces the idea that while the racism and bigotry was extremely important, the economic factors also mattered to the point where even blacks and latinos who were desperate were willing to gamble on him just so they could get back their jobs.

The class/lifestyle divide is very much in play here and many people apparently didn't trust Hillary because she seemed to be even more of an elite than Trump somehow. They feel like "the elites" don't understand or care about them.

Reading this article it also makes it clear more than ever that most of the social justice positions much of the left take for granted are still extremely counter-cultural (you can think of them as "ahead of their time" if you want to be smug) and many, many MANY americans don't share that understanding, not even minorities, and they have very different priorities.

And as has been said there's not much Trump can do about their jobs. Even if he does pursue what he says economic trends like automation and more money income being directed at shareholders and owners rather than labor will make it very doubtful that Trump can do anything for them, jobs are still gonna be swallowed up.

In short many Trump voters were just misinformed and desperate for a change...ironically the same kind of "change" that led some of them to vote for Obama.

They're waiting for the Carrier calls and they're almost certainly not gonna get them. Trump has no reason not to fold to their interests if he can get something out of it, which he most probably can. And when that fails to happen, the Democrats have a chance to seize power if they have the right platform and candidate going forward.

edited 12th Nov '16 8:18:58 AM by Draghinazzo

Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#154278: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:06:04 AM

Two things:

  1. I haven't been able to keep up with this thread since it exploded on the 8th. Has anything of note (other than the protests) happened since the election?
  2. Is Hillary likely to run again in 2020? To be honest, as much as I think she'd be suited to the job, if she's sufficiently hated as to make Trump preferable to so many (because I know some people were voting against HRC rather than for Trump) I'd rather she let someone else take the reins.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#154279: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:07:15 AM

Hil is finished. In US Presidential politics, you generally get two shots at running. If you can't close the deal by then, you won't.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154280: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:08:48 AM

I think HRC is pretty much done with American politics. And I don't blame her one bit.

edited 12th Nov '16 8:09:02 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#154281: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:09:45 AM

I think Hillary's done with the presidency. She had two chances and she didn't make it. Come 2020, assuming Trump hasn't done away with elections and declared himself emperor by then, I think we need someone new and fresh. Someone with charisma who can excite the masses again.

Save us, Michelle Obama. You're our only hope.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154282: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:10:18 AM

Yeah, there's no way she's running again and frankly she shouldn't. I really think we need a new face for 2020.

[up] I love Michelle but I don't think she should run either. She's well-liked but the impression I get is that a lot of people are just going to associate her with Obama and the "lack of change" that came with his presidency, they're gonna see her as part of "THE ESTABLISHMENT" and that's not a desirable quality atm. I am afraid that she will lose and that would be an even worse message to send in 2020.

edited 12th Nov '16 8:18:26 AM by Draghinazzo

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#154283: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:27:26 AM

If anyone wants some practically baseless speculation for the 2020 D-candidate, Wiki has a list already.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#154284: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:35:19 AM

So many people in Buisiness uniforms....

then Kanye West out of Nowhere. XD!

I'd want to actually see him run just for lols, but not actually be nominated, just to see what his policies would be.

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#154285: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:39:00 AM

Careful, that's how we got Trump.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154286: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:41:37 AM

Yeah I really fucking hope Kanye's not serious about running because I don't want US politics to turn into an insipid celebrity circus.

edited 12th Nov '16 8:41:47 AM by Draghinazzo

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#154287: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:45:41 AM

[up] Too late. I think the rest of the world already thinks America's elections are a shitty reality show.

Disgusted, but not surprised
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#154288: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:46:40 AM

I heard this morning that Trump is actually reconsidering repealing Obamacare, or at least not getting rid of it wholesale.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154289: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:48:50 AM

He mentioned he favored keeping two parts of it after talking to Obama ("ban on charging more because of pre-existing conditions" and "children can be included on their parents' insurance").

It's not THAT promising because afaik the GOP is licking their lips at the thought of getting rid of it.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#154290: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:55:24 AM

So he flipped after his White House visit?

Thanks Obama.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#154291: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:58:53 AM

I heard a theory earlier that the reason Trump was so thrown off after meeting with Obama is because Obama decided to treat him like an equal. As in, acted like Trump understood the ins and outs of politics, and basically threw him in the deep end, leading to Trump realizing he's in way over his head and doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#154292: Nov 12th 2016 at 8:59:15 AM

I don't like the Michelle idea either. In fact, I'd rather she prepare for a trip to a governorship, a House seat, or a Senate seat if she even thinks about going for the top job.

That being said, isn't her not liking being in the White House a thing?

ThePaul Since: Jun, 2015
#154293: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:00:41 AM

I seem to remember some talk from Republicans coming up to the 2012 election that they had to win because it was going to be their last chance to repeal Obama Care, that if Obama Care stayed around for another 4 years then people would realize they liked illness not being a death-sentence and that by 2016 repealing it would be suicidal. (Not in those words, of course.)

So there's that.

But it's also like... it seems like they've completely lost their minds since then, so who knows?

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#154294: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:03:27 AM

It may have come true: Trump has already said he will keep parts of it.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#154295: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:11:08 AM

Watch them hate Obamacare but if Trump keeps parts of it as "Trumpcare" they'll go "D'OH THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER FOR AMERICA STANDARDIZED HEALTHCARE IS AWESOME"

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#154296: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:14:59 AM

imagine if Trump genuinely proposed single payer (lol I know) suddenly millions of conservatives would start calling anyone who was against government run healthcare traitors...

Lmao...it's kind of funny if it weren't so sad

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#154297: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:24:15 AM

Getting very tired of crap like this on Facebook. Sure, Bernie Bros. Voting out Democratic congressmen who didn't support your candidate will undoubtedly save the USA from Trump.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#154298: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:26:07 AM

Plus the guy lost. By a wide margin. What could he do that HRC couldn't?

And his campaign managers were even MORE incompetent.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#154299: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:27:15 AM

The craziest thing is that it's looking entirely possible Trump will govern as a moderate Republican, despite the campaign rhetoric. Hopefully someone convinces him that no, climate change is not a Chinese hoax.

[up] Appeal to the white working class in the rust belt that cost HRC the election?

edited 12th Nov '16 9:27:50 AM by CaptainCapsase

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#154300: Nov 12th 2016 at 9:30:29 AM

[up]That's what I'm hoping for, and it's looking more and more likely be the day. Socially, the country will take a step backward, but at least we'll still have a country.

And yes, the rust belt turned out to be the wildcard in the whole election, and that's what the democrats need to focus on the next go-around.

edited 12th Nov '16 9:32:09 AM by kkhohoho


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