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Sharysa Since: Jan, 2001
#154151: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:47:33 PM

Well, my white European friend posted on her Facebook page that she has no time to listen to people complain to her. She'll only respond to a prayer request or something along that line, so I think it's safe to assume that while she cares about me, she doesn't want my "negativity" (read: anger/terror and disgust at Trump) to actually AFFECT her.

Hey, at least I complained on my own page this time.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#154152: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:50:22 PM

[up] Admittedly, the doom and gloom does get annoying after a while, particularly with Memers. Where is he/she, anyways? He/she hasn't posted here in a while.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:52:44 PM by Bat178

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#154153: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:58:13 PM

Sorry for the post unrelated to the current discussion, but a friend of mine mentioned today that American people could vote in multiple states if they were so registered and wanted to (I mean, besides being able to move across multiple states on election day). He also said the electoral college is also supposed to take that in account when voting. Is that right? I had never heard such before, but I mean, I know the American voting process sucks >_<

Sharysa Since: Jan, 2001
#154154: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:00:56 PM

The friend I was talking about in this post is on Facebook, not here.

edited 11th Nov '16 4:02:01 PM by Sharysa

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#154155: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:07:01 PM

@Cosmic Butt Monkey Those were my insights as well but I applaud your cojones at presenting them so assertively, especially from a position of lurking. Very Hamilton. "Bright young man." "Yo, who the F is this?!"

edited 11th Nov '16 4:07:27 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#154156: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:09:57 PM

You're only allowed to vote in one state per year. I chose to vote for New York, though I could've sent an absentee ballot to Massachusetts.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#154157: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:18:09 PM

If this election has taught us anything (besides "Vote you fools! Complacency and false equivalency are bullshit!"), it's that an echo-chamber can you give you the impression that your country is much further to the left than it actually is. If you listened to the average leftist during the election, they'd tell you that Hillary was a DINO. But all info that's come out in the following days indicates that the Democrats almost certainly would've won if they ran Biden or some random white male centrist governor or Senator:

  • One in ten registered Democrats voted for Trump this year (per the BBC poll) vs 3% for Romney back in 2012.

  • 72% of people surveyed in ABC's nation-wide exit polling said that they wanted policies as conservative as Obama's or more so, while stuff like Clinton's $15 minimum wage, anti-gun stance, and plan to expand healthcare put her significantly to his left.

  • The most leftist progressive candidates (like Feingold and Teachout) got crushed in down ticket races, despite the considerable support they received from the Democratic Party's left wingers. Feingold lost by 3 points in the same state where Hillary lost by 1 point, while Teachout lost to her Republican opponent in a state that Hillary handily won.

  • The down ticket races went in favor of the moderates even in states where Trump won. Steven Bullock just won re-election by 3 points despite Montana going to Trump by a whopping 22 points. Jim Justice was comfortably re-elected in West Virginia despite that state going for Trump by 40 points. North Carolina was the same story; the Democratic governor wins by a few votes whilst Hillary lost. There was an overwhelming number of Republicans who voted for Trump and then voted for their local Blue Dog on the same ballot.

I predict a marginalization of the far left of the Democratic party, similar to when Nixon crushed Mc Govern, followed by a Blue Dog (informal sense of the word) president in 2020.

edited 11th Nov '16 4:34:37 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#154158: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:32:31 PM

[up] Democrat turnout collapsed, hence the defeat, so I think this election may not be very representative of the entire country ideologically. It's entirely possible the party will take that lesson away from this though.

edited 11th Nov '16 4:36:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#154159: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:39:12 PM

[up]They would be setting themselves up for a failure.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#154160: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:41:05 PM

My biggest hope is that after their first meeting that Trump starts idolizing Obama because he finds him so cool and wants to be as popular as him that he basically becomes his puppet.

Obama just has to put a few flattering words in his ears and boom....we get Shadow President Obama and Trump as his sometimes rebellious hand-puppet.

edited 11th Nov '16 4:41:29 PM by MadSkillz

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#154161: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:43:29 PM

[up] It seems Trump is starting to lighten up and relax his policies a bit after talking to Obama. If all goes well, we might just get a Bush 2.0 instead of a Hitler or Mussolini. Honestly, the Republican cabinet/Senate are most likely the bigger threat here.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#154162: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:45:36 PM

I remember when Biden said he wanted to take Trump behind the gym and beat the shit out of him after the groping talks and Trump said he'd "love to fight Biden".

I'm now picturing Trump talking to Obama talking whilst Biden glares at him and cracks his knuckles loudly just from off-screen. Maybe that's why Trump was so subdued during the meeting.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#154163: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:46:45 PM

If Obama can really sink his claws into Trump then we'd end up with a a puppet president in the middle of a tug of war between Obama and Mike Pence and his goons.

If not then we have this to look forward to.

edited 11th Nov '16 4:47:05 PM by MadSkillz

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154164: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:51:35 PM

That's pretty funny but I really think we need a new face for 2020 and in case the dems lose that, 2024.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#154165: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:01:43 PM

I just saw an example of what kinds of things Trump supporters tell themselves. One female Trump supporter said the Access Hollywood tape was from 11 years ago, and Trump claimed he'd changed since then. "I know people can change in 11 years." Fair enough.

"If he's so sexist, why have a woman run his campaign?" People who are racist, sexist, etc. are perfectly capable of creating exceptions for their rules, but again, I see why she'd think that.

"If Trump's supporters were really going to riot if Hillary won, why not riot when Obama won?" Because Obama's victory wasn't seen as evidence of a rigged system. Whereas Trump's supporters now, in 2016, believe that all of politics is rigged against them, and they believe Trump when he says that the system is rigged. And if they believe that, they'll want to make their anger known loud and clear.

Anyway, I just got frustrated and didn't respond. I figured I'd get nowhere. But this is an example of what Trump supporters believe.

Also, this individual even said "I'm a Christian, and I believe Trump will be the one who helps America" or something like that. Because, he's so Christian.

edited 11th Nov '16 5:02:17 PM by BonsaiForest

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154166: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:04:46 PM

Btw there were protests when Obama won. Some people even held up signs of him in makeup like the Joker from The Dark Knight.

It was on my twitter timeline earlier, i'll try to find it.

EDIT:

Wow LAPD arrested SPECTATORS of a peaceful protest, including 7-11 year old children in handcuffs.

One of the police officers even grabbed the guy's phone, sarcastically read a tweet from his GF before putting it in a bag.

Fuck LAPD.

Also I found the Obama protests I was talking about.

edited 11th Nov '16 5:09:45 PM by Draghinazzo

CosmicButtMonkey Probably has undiagnosed mild autism from An eternal abyss of apathy Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Probably has undiagnosed mild autism
#154167: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:10:24 PM

Yeah I had an argument with my dad last night about protesting after the election. Of course he didn't see the hypocrisy regarding the 8 year hissy fit the right has just thrown.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#154168: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:17:34 PM

[up]They would be setting themselves up for a failure.
Hmmm. So I see this particular echo chamber still hasn't be rocked hard enough. Shame. Well, the echo chambers that actually matter have, which is why the Democrats will probably win in 2020.

My bet for the 2020 Democratic candidate I think is a moderate male Democrat from a rural state like... Steve Bullock. He supports Obamacare, federal funding for abortion clinics, keeping taxes roughly where they are now or increasing them on the highest earners, gay marriage, renewable energy, campaign finance reform, etc. He also supports gun rights (huge; a lot of people in swing states are single issue voters on this), a balanced budget, a lower minimum wage than what Hill was proposing, and regulation, only as long as they don't destroy jobs. He vetoed 71 bills passed by Montana's Republican legislature and still got re-elected in a state Hillary lost by 21 points. He's clearly a popular moderate with cross-party appeal, which could help snag states like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin. On top of this, he's relatively young, and will look really good next to the nearly 75 year old Trump in 2020, which can count for a lot.

He was actually one of the candidates Democratic strategists picked out as a potential candidate for 2016 but was considered to be too new and inexperienced. Huge Yuge mistake there.

"If he's so sexist, why have a woman run his campaign?" People who are racist, sexist, etc. are perfectly capable of creating exceptions for their rules, but again, I see why she'd think that.
Just saying, if you want to attack Trump on bigotry, don't try that particular subject. Because his campaign is run by a woman, and his daughter (who campaigns with him) graduated Cum Laude in economics from Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania, and is current Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions at the Trump Organization. The hard truth is that the average person is going to see that as a clear contradiction.

If not then we have this to look forward to.
Nah, that's pretty delusional. Bernie's primary bid was an enormous failure and his endorsement was poison in this election. His favored candidates Feingold and Teachout, who he actively endorsed and fund-raised for, got creamed.

edited 11th Nov '16 5:45:49 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#154170: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:28:52 PM

Hmmm. So I see this particular echo chamber still hasn't be rocked hard enough. Shame. Well, the echo chambers that actually matter have, which is why the Democrats will probably win in 2020.

I mean, to an extent a lot of exit polls are echo chambers themselves, given that they mainly focus on certain cities and during certain hours.

The election itself can also be considered an echo chamber given that voter turnout was down all around, and only a quarter to half of eligible voters actually did.

Like, the data seems a bit less cut and dry than you think.

and his daughter (who campaigns with him) graduated Cum Laude in economics from Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania, and is current Executive Vice President of Development and Acquisitions at the Trump Organization.

...You mean the daughter he wants to have sex with? And whom he sexualized as an infant?

Or the one he doesn't like and just sorta ignores?

edited 11th Nov '16 5:31:39 PM by unnoun

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154171: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:32:21 PM

I know what you mean unnoun but what he means is most people only understand "isms" in extremes and apparently even that isn't enough sometimes because a lot of women still voted for Trump regardless.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#154172: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:34:40 PM

It's like the person who says "I'm not homophobic, I have gay friends!" right after saying something homophobic and getting called out for it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#154173: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:36:48 PM

I mean...obviously, the Democrats need to rethink their strategy. But if there's something they absolutely should not do, it's leave minorities by the wayside.

They need to find a way to appeal as many groups as possible.

Oh God! Natural light!
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#154174: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:37:01 PM

@Monsieur Thenardier: Your assumption that this is like the presidential election of 1972 doesn't really hold up. Trump won by by flipping just enough votes in a few states, and he didn't even get most of the overall vote.

That does not suggest a wholesale rejection of the Democratic platform like Nixon vs. Mc Govern did, if anything it suggest that a more overtly moderate candidate would deflate the Democratic vote even more.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#154175: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:38:21 PM

Honestly best case scenario now has Trump as Andrew jackson 2.0, ironically, sans, you know, the whole state sponsored genocide bit. Jackson actually fought hard against the Democrats (who in those days were basically today's Republicans), and made quite a few enemies as well as friends.

Trump is fiercely independent, and a best case scenario would have Trump using that to keep the Republican legislature from completely running the show.


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