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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Sorry for the post unrelated to the current discussion, but a friend of mine mentioned today that American people could vote in multiple states if they were so registered and wanted to (I mean, besides being able to move across multiple states on election day). He also said the electoral college is also supposed to take that in account when voting. Is that right? I had never heard such before, but I mean, I know the American voting process sucks >_<
The friend I was talking about in this post
is on Facebook, not here.
edited 11th Nov '16 4:02:01 PM by Sharysa
@Cosmic Butt Monkey Those were my insights as well but I applaud your cojones at presenting them so assertively, especially from a position of lurking. Very Hamilton. "Bright young man." "Yo, who the F is this?!"
edited 11th Nov '16 4:07:27 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.If this election has taught us anything (besides "Vote you fools! Complacency and false equivalency are bullshit!"), it's that an echo-chamber can you give you the impression that your country is much further to the left than it actually is. If you listened to the average leftist during the election, they'd tell you that Hillary was a DINO. But all info that's come out in the following days indicates that the Democrats almost certainly would've won if they ran Biden or some random white male centrist governor or Senator:
- One in ten registered Democrats voted for Trump this year (per the BBC poll) vs 3% for Romney back in 2012.
- 72% of people surveyed in ABC's nation-wide exit polling said that they wanted policies as conservative as Obama's or more so, while stuff like Clinton's $15 minimum wage, anti-gun stance, and plan to expand healthcare put her significantly to his left.
- The most leftist progressive candidates (like Feingold and Teachout) got crushed in down ticket races, despite the considerable support they received from the Democratic Party's left wingers. Feingold lost by 3 points in the same state where Hillary lost by 1 point, while Teachout lost to her Republican opponent in a state that Hillary handily won.
- The down ticket races went in favor of the moderates even in states where Trump won. Steven Bullock just won re-election by 3 points despite Montana going to Trump by a whopping 22 points. Jim Justice was comfortably re-elected in West Virginia despite that state going for Trump by 40 points. North Carolina was the same story; the Democratic governor wins by a few votes whilst Hillary lost. There was an overwhelming number of Republicans who voted for Trump and then voted for their local Blue Dog on the same ballot.
I predict a marginalization of the far left of the Democratic party, similar to when Nixon crushed Mc Govern, followed by a Blue Dog (informal sense of the word) president in 2020.
edited 11th Nov '16 4:34:37 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."My biggest hope is that after their first meeting that Trump starts idolizing Obama because he finds him so cool and wants to be as popular as him that he basically becomes his puppet.
Obama just has to put a few flattering words in his ears and boom....we get Shadow President Obama and Trump as his sometimes rebellious hand-puppet.
edited 11th Nov '16 4:41:29 PM by MadSkillz
I remember when Biden said he wanted to take Trump behind the gym and beat the shit out of him after the groping talks and Trump said he'd "love to fight Biden".
I'm now picturing Trump talking to Obama talking whilst Biden glares at him and cracks his knuckles loudly just from off-screen. Maybe that's why Trump was so subdued during the meeting.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."If Obama can really sink his claws into Trump then we'd end up with a a puppet president in the middle of a tug of war between Obama and Mike Pence and his goons.
If not then we have this to look forward to.
edited 11th Nov '16 4:47:05 PM by MadSkillz
I just saw an example of what kinds of things Trump supporters tell themselves. One female Trump supporter said the Access Hollywood tape was from 11 years ago, and Trump claimed he'd changed since then. "I know people can change in 11 years." Fair enough.
"If he's so sexist, why have a woman run his campaign?" People who are racist, sexist, etc. are perfectly capable of creating exceptions for their rules, but again, I see why she'd think that.
"If Trump's supporters were really going to riot if Hillary won, why not riot when Obama won?" Because Obama's victory wasn't seen as evidence of a rigged system. Whereas Trump's supporters now, in 2016, believe that all of politics is rigged against them, and they believe Trump when he says that the system is rigged. And if they believe that, they'll want to make their anger known loud and clear.
Anyway, I just got frustrated and didn't respond. I figured I'd get nowhere. But this is an example of what Trump supporters believe.
Also, this individual even said "I'm a Christian, and I believe Trump will be the one who helps America" or something like that. Because, he's so Christian.
edited 11th Nov '16 5:02:17 PM by BonsaiForest
Btw there were protests when Obama won. Some people even held up signs of him in makeup like the Joker from The Dark Knight.
It was on my twitter timeline earlier, i'll try to find it.
EDIT:
Wow LAPD arrested SPECTATORS of a peaceful protest, including 7-11 year old children in handcuffs.
One of the police officers even grabbed the guy's phone, sarcastically read a tweet from his GF before putting it in a bag.
Fuck LAPD.
Also I found the Obama protests I was talking about.
edited 11th Nov '16 5:09:45 PM by Draghinazzo
My bet for the 2020 Democratic candidate I think is a moderate male Democrat from a rural state like... Steve Bullock. He supports Obamacare, federal funding for abortion clinics, keeping taxes roughly where they are now or increasing them on the highest earners, gay marriage, renewable energy, campaign finance reform, etc. He also supports gun rights (huge; a lot of people in swing states are single issue voters on this), a balanced budget, a lower minimum wage than what Hill was proposing, and regulation, only as long as they don't destroy jobs. He vetoed 71 bills passed by Montana's Republican legislature and still got re-elected in a state Hillary lost by 21 points. He's clearly a popular moderate with cross-party appeal, which could help snag states like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin. On top of this, he's relatively young, and will look really good next to the nearly 75 year old Trump in 2020, which can count for a lot.
He was actually one of the candidates Democratic strategists picked out as a potential candidate for 2016 but was considered to be too new and inexperienced. Huge Yuge mistake there.
edited 11th Nov '16 5:45:49 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."I mean, to an extent a lot of exit polls are echo chambers themselves, given that they mainly focus on certain cities and during certain hours.
The election itself can also be considered an echo chamber given that voter turnout was down all around, and only a quarter to half of eligible voters actually did.
Like, the data seems a bit less cut and dry than you think.
...You mean the daughter he wants to have sex with? And whom he sexualized as an infant?
Or the one he doesn't like and just sorta ignores?
edited 11th Nov '16 5:31:39 PM by unnoun
I mean...obviously, the Democrats need to rethink their strategy. But if there's something they absolutely should not do, it's leave minorities by the wayside.
They need to find a way to appeal as many groups as possible.
Oh God! Natural light!@Monsieur Thenardier: Your assumption that this is like the presidential election of 1972 doesn't really hold up. Trump won by by flipping just enough votes in a few states, and he didn't even get most of the overall vote.
That does not suggest a wholesale rejection of the Democratic platform like Nixon vs. Mc Govern did, if anything it suggest that a more overtly moderate candidate would deflate the Democratic vote even more.
Honestly best case scenario now has Trump as Andrew jackson 2.0, ironically, sans, you know, the whole state sponsored genocide bit. Jackson actually fought hard against the Democrats (who in those days were basically today's Republicans), and made quite a few enemies as well as friends.
Trump is fiercely independent, and a best case scenario would have Trump using that to keep the Republican legislature from completely running the show.

Well, my white European friend posted on her Facebook page that she has no time to listen to people complain to her. She'll only respond to a prayer request or something along that line, so I think it's safe to assume that while she cares about me, she doesn't want my "negativity" (read: anger/terror and disgust at Trump) to actually AFFECT her.
Hey, at least I complained on my own page this time.