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Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#154076: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:02:53 PM

And said she wanted Trump to win because it'll bring the revolution or some nonsense.
"We support the environment! Y'know, unless we want to be spiteful and put people's lives and environment in danger just for some small amount of power."

I'm kind of disgusted. Especially since our Green Party has some... issues, but they'll actually work with people.

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#154077: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:03:42 PM

Accelerationists care more about ideology than people.

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#154078: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:07:16 PM

When radicals on the left and radicals on the right seek power at the expense of the center, you end up with a screaming match and no progress.

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#154079: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:10:58 PM

I will admit, I'm morbidly curious to see what will happen the first time senate blocks trump on any of his policies.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#154080: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:13:00 PM

Do they have a reason to? Isn't the Senate mostly controlled by the GOP with this?

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#154081: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:13:06 PM

IOKIYAR (it's ok if you are republican), so they won't block him. Even if he does something completely against party doctrine.

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#154082: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:27:50 PM

The Dems can always filibuster.

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#154083: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:34:42 PM

Anything new since page 6157?

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#154084: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:36:05 PM

There was already talk of the senate not liking at least one of his policies (I believe it was a policy to put a limit on senate terms) so.

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#154085: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:36:51 PM

That's wholly outside of the President's purview.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#154086: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:37:39 PM

[up][up][up]Well, I'm not sure if this has been covered or not, but Pence has just been promoted to the head of Trump's transition team.

That settles it, doesn't it? All hail defacto President Pence, everbody.tongue

edited 11th Nov '16 12:37:59 PM by kkhohoho

Sharysa Since: Jan, 2001
#154087: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:45:38 PM

A lot of Republicans are also AGAINST Trump's extremist talk since he's The Friend Nobody Likes and even Republicans have standards, so they're probably going to be sane and block everything that's blatantly unconstitutional.

edited 11th Nov '16 12:46:21 PM by Sharysa

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#154089: Nov 11th 2016 at 12:59:55 PM

On the marriage thing: Marriage as a legal institution is signing some papers in a law office, I believe. Weddings are the things that happen in churches, but are not the things that legally bind people, I am pretty sure. It's a matter of shopping around for gay friendly churches, if that's what you're into, but while a priest or minister can deny your request to be wed, they cannot deny you the government issued license. And, with it currently being the law of the land, anyone who denies a couple a marriage license can be sued. If they are to overturn the case for gay marriage, someone needs to take that case to court, and travel all the way back up to the Supreme Court.

It takes years to get that far. Also, you cannot defund marriage the way you can Planned Parenthood. So while I expect a whole bunch of anti gay legislation, I don't much expect the actual law regarding the legality of gay marriage to change all that quickly. There's no money in it, and it's slowly becoming much more accepted as times goes on. So like, if marriage is what you're specifically worried about, you can maybe put it lower on the list than other things.

edited 11th Nov '16 1:01:20 PM by AceofSpades

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#154090: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:17:05 PM

So the Swamp was Drained...and replaced with friggin' Mordor.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#154091: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:22:22 PM

It's like being in an increasingly shitty nightmare and you strongly feel the urge to wake up except that moment is never gonna happen

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#154092: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:23:03 PM

What the churches to is frankly their problem....the important thing is a proper marriage the state accepts, with all the rights connected to it.

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#154093: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:40:26 PM

Hey, long time lurker here, and I really want to get involved with trying to get some social media movements against Trump/The GOP up and running. Going around and arguing and screaming the sky is falling aren't going to help anything. I believe that this site's community is capable of creating some effective activism (mainly preventing stupidity from hijacking a particular message).

Some ideas I have are as follows:

1. Since there are protests, and chaos in the DNC there is a need to harness the popular anger into an actual plan. I don't want to see a repeat of how directionless the Occupy Movement ended up, or how the Tea Party quickly got high-jacked by extremists. Both movements are/were due to the "anti-establishment" anger of middle and lower class Americans. I propose we try to come up with a platform that we can use to put pressure on the DNC adopting, or a progressive Tea Party Movement, while avoiding the Tea Party's failings. Some of my ideas (feedback/ other Ideas are welcome) for this platform are:

Strategically - Put a priority on economic issues over social issues (don't abandon social issues) this is really what caused Clinton to lose with the Midwest. - Attempt to have a more civil discourse with social conservatives, Bernie Sanders speech to Liberty University showed that it is possible, the keys are to make arguments for social issues on moral grounds and try to avoid identity based rhetoric as it will immediately push them farther away. More importantly there is need to frame progressive economics in a moralistic way. - Usage of emotional arguments, we are unfortunately in a post fact reality, the DNC needs to avoid basing their arguments on logic (while still keeping logical policies) but needs to use anger over economic factors to mobilize voters. - Run candidates that at the minimum can promote themselves as anti-establishment - Avoid at all costs allowing left wing authoritarians into the mainstream - Overall completely abandon the third way as it has objectively been discredited by this election - Move to the political left, trying to keep up with the GOP on moving to the right narrows the potential voter base, and makes enthusiasm and turnout for the existing Democratic base lower - Do not use/ minimize corprate money for campaigning, it presents an easy avenue to attack, and Trump has brought a lot of traditional campaign strategies into question

Some Policy proposals the the DNC needs to embrace - National restrictions on how easily government officials can move between office and lobbying positions at the state and federal level. - More regulations on banking and corporate interests (don't use regulations in rhetorical arguments , instead base arguments on criminal justice and economic populism) - Argue for stronger price/ cost controls on medicine/ insurance and use any successes here to press for at minimum a public option - End pharmaceutical advertisement - Subsidize, enable businesses to establish trade schools that are either free, or low cost to students,argue for their economic incentive to streamline training of the workforce - Renew a push for labor rights - Remove big money/ corporate interests from the U.S. Military, including a ban on military leadership from involvement in lobbying and other such positions, argue for it as being pro-military as corporate influence hinders our ability to fight wars effectively at the strategic level. - Reform state and national elections to proportional representation and abolish FPTP, to increase the importance of individual votes, more accurately reflect the wishes of American citizens. - Keep the rest of the policy proposals from the Sanders and Clinton campaigns, the failure wasn't in the policies themselves, but rather in Clinton ability to sell them to the American electorate.

2. We need to start a second civil rights movement, and we are going to have to get dirty in the tactics we use, due to Conservative control of the Judiciary. An idea I have is to "Operation Snow White" the GOP on voter registration laws and gerrymandering. For those unfamiliar with the concept its how Scientologists gained tax-exempt status, instead of aiming for lawsuits that are winnable (if the GOP gains control of the SCOTUS social progressive cases are going to be near Impossible to win), rights advocates should attempt to overload the GOP and GOP controlled states with a high volume of individual lawsuits (such as individual civil cases for discrimination) in order to tie drown republican monetary resources in legal battles. The end goal of this should be to force concessions, on rolling back voter registration and gerrymandering.

3. Finally, this one might be a bit radical, but I suggest that we need to write an open letter to the U.S. Military to prevent Trump from assuming the office of the presidency.

(Rough outline of ideas)

He is objectively an existential threat to the U.S. through his stances on climate change, and his self evident mental instability in control of nuclear warheads. Has had agents of a hostile nation on his campaign. Said hostile nation (Russia) has already admitted to being in communication with his campaign. He has political radicals including fascists and theocrats advising him, and shows alarming authoritarian tendencies. The GOP should not be expected to restrain or control him, they have openly endorsed and enabled him despite unprecedented and dangerous rhetoric and made him the leader of a United States political party that now has control of all three branches of government and is thus de-facto exempt from government checks and balances. Him and his those he has shown to want to include in his administration have directly and openly: threatened American citizens first amendment rights to a free press, freedom of assembly, and the establishment of religion; threatened American citizens fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments, by threatening to jail and prosecute political opponents and forcibly remove millions of American residents and citizens from the nation without due process; threatened Americans 8th amendment rights by advocating torture, and placing American citizens in military court. He has advocated for war crimes hate crimes, and crimes against humanity. He will be inheriting the most powerful military in the world, and the most sophisticated surveillance and intelligence network in history. His has openly admitted to cooperation with a U.S. law enforcement agency in breaching it's political neutrality to affect the outcome of U.S. Election. Has threatened the political neutrality of the U.S. military by stating his intention to remove leadership personnel who disagree with his policies. He has called into question the democratic process of the United States and advocated for cancelling elections before they even begin. He has openly and is on record of having praised authoritarian leaders including, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, Saddam Hussein, Benito Mussolini, and the Government of China in regards to its response to the Tiananman Square protest. In the nearly 250 history of this country there has never been such a clear and present domestic threat to the United States Constitution and the physical well being of the Union as Donald Trump, and assuming the Electoral College failing in it's duties to safe guard the U.S. from such dangerous demagogues in accordance with the intent of the founders of this country, the only other available safeguard of constitutional law is the United States Military.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#154094: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:41:45 PM

Think the US could lose it's Superpower status over this? If China plays their cards right, they could become the new dominant Superpower with this.

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#154095: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:43:46 PM

That seems unlikely. Trump is going to cost us a great many things especially on the civil rights front, but I doubt we'd lose our superpower status. It's defined as being able to launch a military strike anywhere in the world, and I don't think he's going to f*ck up so bad that we lose all our missiles and shit.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#154096: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:50:25 PM

[up] Being a Superpower is about more than military power or size. It is also about respect. Sure the US has weapons, but it will have a hard time to find an excuse to fire them towards Europe.

edited 11th Nov '16 1:51:19 PM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#154097: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:55:53 PM

We may see our place as "leader of the free world" drop, but the post-WWII circumstances that got us there in the first place were serendipitous to begin with, and were never going to hold forever, even without Trump. However I don't expect us to no longer be a superpower. We're just too large and influential for that to happen.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#154098: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:58:08 PM

I don't think the US will stop being a superpower, but it'll likely be knocked down quite a bit in the world stage, maybe being overtaken in influence by Russia or China. If Trump follows through with his plan regarding Mexico, the US will at least definitely shred a good deal of the influence it has on the American continent. Fingers crossed for Canada picking up the slack.

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SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#154099: Nov 11th 2016 at 1:58:39 PM

Anyone here heard about what happened in Texas? A mother found out her son voted for Trump in a mock school election, went completely apeshit on him, and literally threw him out of her house.

Thankfully, the local CPS has been notified, last I checked. I pray that this kid gets the help he needs and the abusive shitstain goes to jail for a LONG time for this.

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#154100: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:01:34 PM

Yeah not exactly setting an example there.


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