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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
On brighter news and the reason why the rural vote shouldn't hold back the urban vote:
Mayors of NY and Los Angeles pledge to remain immigrant sanctuaries
Officials in New York and Los Angeles on Thursday said they hoped President-elect Donald Trump would not follow through on a campaign promise to withhold federal funds from "sanctuary cities" that shield people who are in the country illegally.
The nation's two largest cities have sharply limited their cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities seeking to deport undocumented immigrants.
President Barack Obama's administration has used so-called detainer requests to target undocumented immigrants convicted of criminal acts, especially violent ones.
New York and Los Angeles do not hold undocumented inmates in jail at the request of the U.S. Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) unless the detainer request is accompanied by a judge's order, officials said.
Trump said during a debate with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in October he would seek to deport major drug dealers. "We have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out," he said.
Trump early in his campaign pledged to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States and also threatened to withhold federal funds from sanctuary cities.
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said at a news conference on Thursday that New York would continue to defend undocumented immigrants.
"We are not going to sacrifice a half million people who live among us, who are part of our community," de Blasio said, referring to an estimate of the number of unauthorized immigrants living in New York. "We are not going to tear families apart."
De Blasio said Trump's threat to withhold funds from sanctuary cities was "dangerous," but it was too soon to tell whether the president-elect intended to follow through on all his proposals.
A spokeswoman for Trump did not return emails or a call.
In Los Angeles, a spokeswoman for Mayor Eric Garcetti also voiced hopes over how Trump would proceed on the issue.
"We comply with federal immigration agencies, but insist that detainer requests be handled constitutionally," Connie Llanos, the spokeswoman, said in an email.
"It is Mayor Garcetti's sincere hope that no president would violate those principles, the very foundation of our nation, by taking punitive action on cities that are simply protecting the well being of residents."
California is one of five states that limit compliance with ICE detainer requests and similar policies are in place at 37 cities nationwide, according to the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.
Last month, a federal judge in Illinois found the ICE detainer requests were unconstitutional, but the ruling did not apply nationwide.
Not sure about those adjectives right now
Discussions on whether Trump voters are all racists or not, and if the left should've done more to win them over. Also, Clinton could've won Wisconsin, based on the total amount of ballots uncounted there, making the electoral college a tie.
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVYeah, then if NH and MI go HRC, and recounts flip AZ and WI, there's a tie and we get to pray for a republican elector to go faithless (2 if the dumbass from WA goes faithless against Hillary).
EDIT: Just checked PA's results
. How many ballots are uncounted? if there's >65k and they all go Hillary she could still flip it.
Edit 2: and there's just 6 districts uncounted. Probably not enough to make a difference.
edited 11th Nov '16 7:24:54 AM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVThey won't. Lol.
Republicans are about to get their own personal heaven.
We aren't escaping this disaster.
Being on Wal-Mart's corporate board and rubbing elbows with New York fat cats inflated Hillary's ego and thought she could walk away from her and Bill's roots. Bill knows you need an alliance. But she and her campaign staff pish-poshed him that he was deludedly chasing his glory days.
Sort of the whole "Don't forget where you come from".
edited 11th Nov '16 7:24:37 AM by PotatoesRock
HRC got 5 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012. That's what killed us. Whether those were minority votes or "working-class white" votes is a question mainly for the strategists who will have to plan a way to win in 2020.
In the meantime, we've handed Republicans a blank check to rewrite the terms of our democracy for at least two years. May God help us.
edited 11th Nov '16 7:23:18 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Guys, just stop this line. Its over, the transition has begun. In this situation at least, hope is the first step on the road to further disappointment. Clinton isn't getting into the Oval Office in January, our best hope is that Trump destroys himself and the Democrats hold the line where they can.
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Let's hope it turns into their hell instead, its the least they deserve.
edited 11th Nov '16 7:24:40 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.This post can be offensive, so I'll apologize in advance if anyone is offended.
Not all Trump supporters are racists. The rest are lazy moochers. I mean if you really condense the non-racist part of their demands, it's all about government please bring/create jobs for me or government funding. What's the difference between those two with government handouts? For a group of people who want less government, they want the government to do everything for them and they dare to call others lazy moochers. They really should practice what they preach. Pull your own bootstraps? Why don't they pull their own bootstraps first and bring/create the jobs themselves. Sloth is really the keyword here.
I think the biggest mistake of HRC and the DNC isn't hubris, but overestimating americans.
Only an experienced editor who has a name possesses the ability to truly understand my work - What 90% of writers I'm in charge of said.Not all the votes have been counted yet I hear. Something about provisional ballots?
EDIT- On the subject of Trump supporters, not all of them fill the above stereotypes. Some did it just to get rid of Obamacare or keep the supreme court from going liberal.
The problem, really, is that most Americans are single issue wonks. Everything else, they could care less.
Frankly, thats true of both sides, given how much the Bernie crowd didn't care how dumb his foreign policy actually was.
edited 11th Nov '16 7:25:36 AM by FFShinra

Keep in mind that a number of people (possibly even the majority) went for Trump because they didn't want Clinton in the White House, just as a number of people voted for Clinton because they didn't want Trump (including myself).
And in more "Oh god why" news, a climate-change denier, Myron Ebell, is leading Trump's transition team regarding the EPA, and viewed as a heavy favorite to head the agency entirely
. Goodbye, Paris Accords.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"