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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#153876: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:57:37 AM

@Ldragon: Many reasons. Some people voted for him out of overt racism (this includes the KKK and literal Nazis). Some voted for him out of sexism. Some voted for him out of blind party loyalty. Some voted for him out of a misplaced sense that he had their best interests at heart (those Rust Belt people who think he can bring their jobs back, even though no amount of discrimination, deregulation, and protectionism can turn back the clock on the march of technology that actually took their jobs - for example, coal mining isn't dying because of foreigners or immigrants or green energy, it's dyimg because of automation making most of the actual miners obsolete and the rise of natural gas as the primary fossil fuel for electrical generation). Some voted for him because they think Hillary is a criminal. Some voted for him because they just wanted to "send a message" to "the elites in Washington".

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#153877: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:57:54 AM

[up][up][up][up] There's been a lot of speculation, but the general consensus is: a mix of fear, anger, nostalgia, and nationalism.

[up] It is also worth noting that he ultimately received fewer votes than Romney in 2012.

edited 11th Nov '16 2:58:54 AM by M84

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#153878: Nov 11th 2016 at 2:59:44 AM

Racism and misogyny are the biggest two reasons, really. Whether conscious or not. Not everyone who voted for him is a cross burner but everyone who did is bigoted to some extent.

Oh really when?
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#153879: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:01:41 AM

Am I about to discover that lack of research is why LDragon keep posting about South Koreans hating Japan and nothing else?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#153880: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:04:20 AM

A muslim, immigrant woman explains why she voted for Trump.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:07:48 AM by SaintDeltora

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#153881: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:15:17 AM

Or why they keep thinking Captain America: The Winter Soldier must be a bad film because one video among a sea of praise, from a channel specializing in Accentuate the Negative comedy no less, made jokes implying it was flawed -_-

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#153882: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:17:28 AM

You're bringing that stuff up huh? I'll admit, a lot of that stuff is due to OCD.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:18:14 AM by LDragon2

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#153883: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:18:57 AM

Nevermind, asking in a pm.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:19:10 AM by SaintDeltora

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#153884: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:28:13 AM

[up][up][up][up]So, she thinks the "Islamic State of Iraq and Levant" is the "politically correct" name for the Islamic State, which kinda show her ignorance and her willingness to buy into the the "anti political correctness" rhetoric.

I am kinda too tired to argue everything that woman got wrongnote , but before someone says I am demonizing that woman, I am not. Calling people ignorant is not demoralizing them. Being ignorant is not a personal failure. People can't help (not) knowing what they (don't) know.And it is really not anyone's fault in specific it is like that. The only solution is to better the education of the country as a whole, but that doesn't happen overnight.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:29:25 AM by Heatth

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#153885: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:31:09 AM

Whether she is right or not, her perspective is still important.

We're not gonna manage to avoid stuff like this if we don't understand how people like her think.

Just correcting her is not good enough, we have to get down on her level and show ourselves willing to talk calmly.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:33:59 AM by SaintDeltora

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#153886: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:32:23 AM

How bad have the anti-Trump protests have gotten?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#153887: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:35:13 AM

[up][up]I know, I have nothing against you posting it here. But my point is, her perspective comes from ignorance. I've seem people here being annoyed at people daring to call Trump supporters ignorant, but that is just how it is, for most of them. What is important is to realize that ignorance is not a personal failure. It is not her fault she was dupped by Trump's campaign.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:35:37 AM by Heatth

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#153888: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:43:04 AM

That's fair.

I simply don't think that approach will work for her, or a lot of others.

If you really want to change someone you have to be willing to get to know that individual person intimately enough to know the correct things to say and do around them and adapt yourself to that. And know how to do them correctly.

It takes patience and dedication to a level it would be downright unhealthy for most people to try, but that's the only way I found that it works.

That, and simply waiting it out. Hoping they have enough time and deep personal incidents in their lives that they change their mind. Or enough time to see their choices didn't work.

Unfortunately neither work all the time, for several reasons.

edited 11th Nov '16 3:50:03 AM by SaintDeltora

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#153889: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:54:27 AM

What is important is to realize that ignorance is not a personal failure. It is not her fault she was dupped by Trump's campaign.
I would qualify that statement with "not necessarily" instead of "not". There is such a thing as willful ignorance, you know.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#153890: Nov 11th 2016 at 3:57:54 AM

I don't think that there is that much excuse for ignorance if you are living in a country which offers schooling for everyone and is technological advanced enough that information is easily accessible...to quote Kant: "Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Menschen aus seiner selbst verschuldeten Unmündigkeit." - "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity."

Emphasis on self-imposed.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#153891: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:32:43 AM

[up]From what's been said in this thread in the past, there's been quite an effort by some politicians in the US to keep people uneducated (defunding public schools, imposing educational programs based on religious dogma instead of science, promotion of anti-intelectualism, etc), so I'm not sure how much immaturity is self-imposed there.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#153892: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:38:54 AM

Nevermind.

Edit: Psychologist requested I keep away from this topic. So I will keep away.

edited 11th Nov '16 4:49:14 AM by SaintDeltora

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#153893: Nov 11th 2016 at 4:43:40 AM

Besides, the Politically Correct name for ISIL is "Daesh" last I read, because they hate it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#153894: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:03:21 AM

Well, in this particular case the only thing you have to do is to watch the actual debates to get a sense of the candidates.

This is, btw, something the US really should do, regulate the election process better. A one year long campaign is really ridiculous. Honestly, in an ideal world, it should be forbidden to advertise freely for a specific party.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#153895: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:09:00 AM

[up]They used to have something that more or less discouraged one-sidedness. It was revoked on the grounds of "Free Speech".

edited 11th Nov '16 5:09:45 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#153896: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:15:59 AM

[up] We can thank Reagan for that one too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#153897: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:18:08 AM

Is an anti-Daesh Arabic slur even politically correct?

Fairness doctrine: While it would certainly ensure various critical subjects entered the public eye, it probably would provide even more fuel for dumb South Park viewers.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#153898: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:22:48 AM

Racism and misogyny are the biggest two reasons, really. Whether conscious or not. Not everyone who voted for him is a cross burner but everyone who did is bigoted to some extent.

Yeah, all those women who voted for Trump (read: 42%) in this country are misogynistic, as are all the "racist" minorities who voted for Trump (read: 8% black, 29% Hispanic, 29% Asian, 37% other).

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#153899: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:23:53 AM

Yeah, they are. Internalized misogyny is a pretty big thing. Especially with women older than around 30.

edited 11th Nov '16 5:24:39 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#153900: Nov 11th 2016 at 5:26:24 AM

Misogynistic women are so a thing. Like whoa.

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