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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#153626: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:21:39 PM

You know what would have been more realistic? Proper ID's instead of a wall, better controls to break up the black market for illegal work, a combination of worker's rights and minimum wages, as well as some sort of program which allows legal immigration under specific circumstances, so that people have a reason to wait for their turn instead of spending their life in some sort of grey zone...and those are just ideas I have on the top of my mind.
I distinctly remember a poster from a while back who actually criticized Sanders' position on immigration because Sanders' policies were much in line with yours (iirc).

edited 10th Nov '16 5:23:05 PM by Eschaton

dysphere Since: Jan, 2015
#153627: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:22:30 PM

And when nominating a minority president, keep the subtext subtext, don't emphasize how people should vote for them or else they'd be something-ist (which probably isn't true and only dilutes the meaning).They should have a solid plan to implement, not I'm better than the guy because I'm X.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153628: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:22:42 PM

What would make the CIA consider initiating a coup in a given Latin American country? It's not like one could be set up in 24 hours

What is harder for the CIA to put up a coup in Latin American is finding the need to.

We pretty much ousted most of our left wing politicians and the ones left are either incredibly unpopular like Maduro in Venezuela, which the US has spent the last 8 years showing it doesn't really give a fuck about, Colombia has a semi leftist one but he doesn't seem to be running on Anti-Americanism. Brazil just ousted Dilma and put someone who'd have no problems with dealing with the US, Argentina just elected a right wing president (by South American standards) and countries like Ecuador and Bolivia are too insignificant to even bother.

Since the Soviet Union is gone and there isn't really a tug-of-war with other super power for proxies, there aren't that many reasons to stage Cold War Era coups in Latin America.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153629: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:22:44 PM

@Ninety: You have the Obameter

[up] There aren't, but you have to remember you're talking about a Trump administration. Which could very well fuck up hard enough that China (or Germany!) looks more appealing that the unholy Russo-American alliance.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:24:24 PM by CaptainCapsase

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#153630: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:24:02 PM

Leaders of Canada and Mexico say they'll negotiate NAFTA with Trump.

Fuck's sake, my respect for Trudeau took a huge hit. Could he have groveled a bit less?

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153631: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:24:07 PM

[up][up][up]The unspoken threat might be there, though?

edited 10th Nov '16 5:24:33 PM by megarockman

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153632: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:25:12 PM

[up][up] I imagine he's rather more concerned about the possibility of American tanks rolling over the border than his own pride. Or, as less of a worst case scenario, see [down]

edited 10th Nov '16 5:27:17 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153633: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:25:43 PM

In other news, Trump's fraud trial is apparently going ahead.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/trump-due-in-court-for-fraud-trial-before-assuming-office/article32785783/

The judge did say that it would be a good idea for the sides to settle out of court, but there's no legal way to stop this from going forward other than that.

[up][up][up]Trump can destroy the Canadian and Mexican economies with the stroke of a pen. Trump's neighbors have to live with the consequences of the American people's stupidity.

[up]Its economic. And his statements were typical cordial things, the US won't invade Canada, or even Mexico.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:27:24 PM by Rationalinsanity

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#153634: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:27:45 PM

Trudeau doesn't really have much of a choice here, I think: souring relations with the US could and probably would bring all kind of disaster to Canada.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153635: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:27:52 PM

I mean, what we're probably actually going to get is another Trump term, or maybe someone worse.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if Trump got elected for another term, even with the country going to shit. It happened with W. Bush, and if the US was foolish enough to elect him at all, they can do so again.

That shouldn't be cause for defeatism or not trying your best to prevent that outcome but as depressing as this is to say I would try to brace yourself for 8 years of Trump if it comes to that. The incumbent historically has the advantage after all.

It's really depressing for me because I'll be in my 30's by the time it's over.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153636: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:28:31 PM

[up][up][up] Well yes, I know that scenario almost certainly won't happen, but I still am not sure we won't see dictator Trump, and in that event I'm not sure he wouldn't succeed at subverting democracy.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:29:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

dysphere Since: Jan, 2015
#153637: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:29:07 PM

Thanks to the Supreme Court appointments in his presidency, it could take me reaching old age before it's over.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153638: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:29:18 PM

What happens if he refuses to step down after 8 years?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#153639: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:29:28 PM

Oh, and in answer to the question of how Trumplings feel about Asian-Americans, just found this. An Asian-American woman in Minnesota was assaulted by a Trump supporter who screamed at her to go back to Asia. When she tried to defend herself, the police were summoned and she was immediately handcuffed.

You know that feeling you got in The Deathly Hallows when Voldemort has won, and the Death Eaters are running the show? That is legitimately how I feel right now. Everything is being corrupted before our very eyes, with terrifying speed.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#153640: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:30:36 PM

W Bush had 9/11 and a strong economy to help him, Trump won't have either of those.

[up][up] If the armed forces/secret service back him we get a civil war. If not he gets locked out and that's it.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:31:51 PM by Silasw

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#153641: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:31:07 PM

Trump has his base of fanatical supporters, most of whom are clearly immune to reason and rationality.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153642: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:31:12 PM

You know that feeling you got in The Deathly Hallows when Voldemort has won, and the Death Eaters are running the show? That is legitimately how I feel right now. Everything is being corrupted before our very eyes, with terrifying speed.

Our only solace is that Trump and his followers don't have evil magic powers, and that Trump doesn't have horcruxes.

I'm not wishing death on anyone but i wouldn't be that surprised if Trump ended up having a heart attack or something during his presidency. His health isn't in very good shape.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:31:50 PM by Draghinazzo

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Main Character
#153643: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:31:47 PM

[up]x5 He'll probably die due to stress and old age in that case.

Being a US president is a very draining position, and the chances of him surviving into a transhuman era are slim.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:32:12 PM by Grounder

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153644: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:32:01 PM

@Silas: There's several things a Trump administration could do that would produce the appearance of a good economy while creating a colossal bubble, and don't underestimate the ability of the American military-industrial complex to manufacture a cause for war.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:32:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#153645: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:32:51 PM

Remember, Trump is in his 70's and has poor health. He might not live to the end of the presidency, especially if his health care reforms go through (Which would be sweet karma if he died due to lack of health care).

edited 10th Nov '16 5:34:40 PM by Bat178

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#153646: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:33:25 PM

My greatest fear that the Republicans are going to push bread and circuses to maintain party loyalty.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:37:40 PM by AlleyOop

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#153647: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:33:34 PM

[up][up] And then we get President Pence, who is probably even worse.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:33:48 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153648: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:33:36 PM

[up][up][up] Trump's healthcare reforms won't impact him personally.

@Alley: Yeah, I could totally see him going the Chavez route where policy is pursued that produces a colossal bubble with no real plan for long term economic health.

edited 10th Nov '16 5:34:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153649: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:33:48 PM

Not much would change, though - Pence and co would still be there.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153650: Nov 10th 2016 at 5:34:02 PM

The problem is aligning with China is how China is only interested in commodities like soy, oil and iron and selling their cheap stuff. As long as China gets that they don't give a fuck about South America. They know they can't project their power here physically, just economically.

Russia is simply too broke to even try and we're competing with Russia with similar goods.

Europe is mostly concerned with Trading commodities but since the recession the exchange between South America and Europe dropped a lot. Europe has a large amount of protectionist measures against South American agriculture.

To be frank, South America doesn't have much to offer besides commodities, a mildly attractive export market and cheap labor. All of those things are already going to the US one way or another without the need to change the political landscape too much. Even Venezuela, which was the overtly anti-American spearheading country, kept selling cheap oil to the US because Chavez needed those Petrodollars. Brazil was already selling vegetable oil, soy, other assorted agricultural goods and iron ore to both US and China since 2000.

We don't have much choice but taking the US as a major trading partner because the US is the only one buying our stuff in bulk.

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