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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@ Mr AHR
Yeah, it's called a window of discourse and I we kind of have something like that with the rule against hatred based on race, religion, gender, sexuality, and so on. That's why most Trump supporters in these threads get banned, because they expressly break those rules and reveal themselves to be hopelessly out of range of what we consider comfortable. I do think that it's unfair to drum them out if they haven't expressly violated any of the above in these threads though. And the tone the posts of some people in these threads who I'd otherwise agree with takes on unnecessary hostility towards dissenting opinions.
Yeah, when it comes to social and economic issues I am solidly on the traditional definition of Liberal but I am South American and being a traditional Liberal can put you squarely on the right wing here. Which isn't much of a surprise since I tend to read British Newspapers like The Economist, BBC and Reuters for news.
I usually have to go as a Centrist leaning "right" on the economy but leaning "left" socially, however I have to deal with not having a political party to represent those views.
Damn I remember some of my first posts here and how I really got into heated arguments in the sexism and racism threads, I changed a few views since then.
Funnily enough, it is argued that the original purpose of the wall was not to make getting into China harder but to make leaving harder as a way to prevent the Mongol raiders from leaving with too much loot.
edited 10th Nov '16 5:08:53 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesWould they build the wall even then? I don't think it's actually very conducive to american interests regardless of whether mexico or the us builds it.
I agree. I don't think it's a productive attitude. If the person is expressing actual racism/homophobia/sexism etc that's one thing but simply having a dissenting opinion shouldn't be cause for a ban or naked hostility.
edited 10th Nov '16 5:08:56 PM by Draghinazzo
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That is one of the good thing about the German election system...there is more or less the whole spectrum available, so while it is impossible to find a party you agree with completely, there is usually at least one which does well in the main points....I actually change my vote pretty often, also depending if it is an election for the main government, the EU or a local one.
edited 10th Nov '16 5:09:27 PM by Swanpride
In my experience, part of the issue are things that are fueled by bigotry, but not directly related to it. It can be a hard nuance to understand if you agree with the stance.
Read my stories!I was thinking more in a pragmatic sense, as in is the CIA stupid enough to believe it will actually benefit their interests? All the wall is good for is wasting a shitton of time and money and serving as a symbol of white nationalism and xenophobia.
But yes, it's a Trump presidency so I guess conventional wisdom has already gone out the window.
What would make the CIA consider initiating a coup in a given Latin American country? It's not like one could be set up in 24 hours - I'd imagine these things take time. Like, how troublesome in their POV would it have to be (I don't think they'd do it because the president just wore a red tie that day, for an absurd example)?
edited 10th Nov '16 5:16:25 PM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.I think we need fresh blood if we want to have any hope of retaking this country. But finding it is going to be easier said than done.
Frankly, I'm tempted to say that we need another candidate of color. We need another Obama. Someone who can truly inspire passion in people, especially minority groups.
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Mexico trying to realign towards China out of fear that a Trump led USA is out to get them. Causing a Trump led USA to respond with extreme prejudice.
That's a potential problem if China becomes the Big Enemy since of course all Asians are alike, a Asian-American president at that point will become as likely as a Russian-American president during the cold war.
edited 10th Nov '16 5:18:59 PM by CaptainCapsase
I agree. I think another Obama is more or less exactly what we need right now. Someone sane and competent with great oratory skills and great charisma.
edited 10th Nov '16 5:18:50 PM by Draghinazzo
What I like to do is not argue with people about what they want but on if the way a party proposes will actually yield the promised results. The Brexit campaign promised to control immigration. But Brexit will actually make it more difficult to do exactly that. Trump promised to kick out illegal immigrants and built a wall. Both plans are totally unrealistic.
You know what would have been more realistic? Proper ID's instead of a wall, better controls to break up the black market for illegal work, a combination of worker's rights and minimum wages, as well as some sort of program which allows legal immigration under specific circumstances, so that people have a reason to wait for their turn instead of spending their life in some sort of grey zone...and those are just ideas I have on the top of my mind.
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Possibly. The CIA under a Trump administration could be extremely scary, since the man at the top seemingly has no compunctions against them overthrowing democracies, torturing prisoners, assassinating journalists, and other nasty cold-war era atrocities.
edited 10th Nov '16 5:21:21 PM by CaptainCapsase
Among the harrassment and hate crimes reported already, some of them included trump supporters shouting racial slurs at asian americans and telling them to go back to their country.
It's not quite the same since it doesn't have the history of border struggles with latinos and the institution of slavery with african-americans, but they don't really get a free pass just because they might hate them slightly less.
You know, that reminds me of another topic I wanted to find more about. Knowing the aforementioned demographics of this forum it won't be enough, but it's a nice place to start.
How well did Obama do? My usual stomping grounds on the Internet tend to be fairly liberal-leaning, and by and large all I've encountered are memes about how cool he is and ironic "Thanks, Obama!" posts mocking his detractors. Or else, about all the things he wanted to get done but couldn't because the Republicans got in his way at every turn out of sheer spite. But is there some hard data? How many of his campaign promises (like the stuff about closing Guantanamo Bay and withdrawing American troops from the Middle East) did he fulfil? How successful has Obamacare been? How's the American economy progressed during his tenure?
As fantastically unlikely as it is, I would absolutely love to see someone like Tammy Duckworth take the White House.
I mean, what we're probably actually going to get is another Trump term, or maybe someone worse. But a disabled mixed-race female Asian-American president would embody everything this country should be.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."

edited 10th Nov '16 5:04:20 PM by CaptainCapsase