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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Honestly if Trump and Justin Trudeau prove anything it's that having essentially zero political experience is no barrier to entry so fuck it: kanye/warren 2020
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?Yes, this attitude just worked out great for you all, didn't it? Christ. Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
The problem, as I see it, is that a new poster with alternate views will lurk here for a while, see what the prevailing attitude is — and then trollpost (mainly due to GIFT) and immediately be banned.
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.These two paragraphs from this politico article
are interesting to me:
But in general, Bill Clinton’s viewpoint of fighting for the working class white voters was often dismissed with a hand wave by senior members of the team, as a personal vendetta to win back the voters that elected him, from a talented but aging politician who simply refused to accept the new Democratic map. At a meeting ahead of the convention, where aides presented to both Clintons the “Stronger Together” framework for the general election, senior strategist Joel Benenson told the former president bluntly that the voters from West Virginia were never coming back to his party.
There are a few posters of "unconventional" tvtropes views around. Swanpride, Knit Tie, D Roy, off the top of my head, tend to clash beliefs with the standard social outlook of tvtropes from time to time. It's just they're sane and reasonable people. This thread tends to get the unreasonable ones.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."You're not wrong.
I also disagree that it's not worth it to try and talk to conservatives. Not all of them are insane, I'd sure as fuck take talking to a garden variety conservative over some of the kinds of people that voted for Trump. I feel like the worst that would happen is having them say I've been brainwashed by the liberal media or that I'm a SJW, big deal compared to having violence or death threats against my person.
I was pretty close to being borderline alt-right at one point in my life and used to hold some pretty misogynistic ideas. People DO change, it's just that you'll very rarely ever see them do so in the span of one (or several) conversations.
edited 10th Nov '16 4:26:27 PM by Draghinazzo
It's more that their views aren't really that incompatible with ours.
Swanpride has posted here multiple times already, just for one. Most of her disagreement with the prevailing TVT sentiment are probably about media representation issues, which are another can of worms entirely.
edited 10th Nov '16 4:28:39 PM by Draghinazzo
Swanpride is a frequent contributor in this very thread, Knit Tie frequents other threads in OTC. D Roy's the only one who I think doesn't lurk around here.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Speaking of changing, I was in a conspiracy nut phase for about maybe 8/9 years. So yeah, it happens. I grew out of it by seeing the conspiracy websites' predictions fail to come true, noticing holes in their arguments, and also slowly losing interest in reading them because of those things. Which in turn gave me more time to reflect on them critically, and realize "yeah, they pointed out a couple lesser-known facts that no-one talks about, but they're 90+% bullshit."
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Well, I see myself as neither rightwing nor leftwing, but pretty much in the centre with a liberal leaning...as such, I tend to clash with BOTH the left and the right, meaning I am just as annoyed with the "if we are nice and tolerant to everyone the world will magically be okay" crowd as I am with the backwards thinking of the right-wing...and like everyone, I actually believe that MY way of thinking is the totally right one, and I am pretty annoyed that the "moderates" so to speak are currently drowned out by the right and the left constantly screaming at each other instead of looking for the middle ground. Especially the left should know better if you ask me, but some "leftists" are just as if not more fanatic than some right-wing defenders.
When it comes to Trump though, I am shocked that he got elected...not because he is a racist or a sexist. He is hardly the first foreign leader who fulfils that particular bill and conservatives tend to be very short-sighted. Not even because he is incompetent...that is true for most American Leaders, since apparently the election is more about showmanship than actual abilities. No, I am shocked because he showed so much open disregard for the constitution. How can anyone trust that he will follow the rules once he is in power? And don't tell me anything about rules and checks which are in place. Those existed for Hitler, too. He just pushed through them. Trump has already shown that he not only gets away with openly flaunting the rules, the American population rewarded him for it.
edited 10th Nov '16 4:35:55 PM by Swanpride
Swanpride is not rightwing. She just has different opinions from the mainstream on here that can be seen as upholding the status quo but it's unfair and exactly the kind of echo chamber nuttery to consider her outright "rightist". I think some of it ultimately does come down to tone and rhetoric, and the fact that she comes from a different culture where issues might not be seen quite the same.

I agree that this thread needs more discussion of opposing views. I identify as liberal, and I get annoyed when I see someone presenting views in a reasonable manner that I either disagree with, or think has a valid point, and the person gets essentially shouted off the thread.