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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I think for a lot of these Republicans talking about minority rights and the like just isn't worth it, because even if they don't hold overtly racist feelings they have little ability to empathize with the "other". It's more use to point out the Republicans' corruption, coziness with lobbyists, exploitation of the poor and middle class, and refusal to actually initiate governmental change, Identify issues that they can more readily identify with, and point out examples of Democrats actually looking into such things.
@Tactical Fox: Indeed. Obama's not happy about this. At all.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:09:00 PM by Dravencour
@Pic: So my sister did describe it completely accurately.
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.Much of the alt-left nastiness I've encountered is waves of bullying on Tumblr towards people perceived as not fitting into their narrow standards for being progressive enough. It absolutely is a problem, especially since these people are literally telling other people to kill themselves, and in an environment that already tends to attract emotionally frail and suicidal people. But it tends to be as much a fandom-centric caduceus than actual politics, where politics is a convenient paradigm by which these people express power and control, rather than the main cause.
I've also seen isolated accounts of transphobic incidents at supposed safe spaces and the like, and it has the potential to lead to physical assault, but they don't seem to take on the overt violence of the alt-right, outside of the very real problem of anti-Semitism from leftist campus organizations.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:19:41 PM by AlleyOop
I mean, worrying that people who currently just a bit obnoxious might have the potential to eventually turn into something dangerous- although possibly they don't, I don't see any particularly strong historical precedent for that- while meanwhile the other side's equivalent are being really fucking dangerous is warped priorities at best.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:19:13 PM by Gilphon
RE Twitter being heavily alt-right: Suddenly I realize why my tweets about Captain America calling out America for its weaknesses aren't getting much action on Twitter.
Why am I not surprised?
edited 10th Nov '16 3:21:09 PM by Sharysa
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Tell me about it. Wave after wave of posts on Tumblr from people wishing for violent overthrow of Trump and Pence, basically "kill them before they can kill you", often with thousands of notes, and so on. Not something I wanna read when already upset, and naturally sensitive to such rhetoric.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:23:20 PM by AlleyOop
Yes, you cannot really talk with Trump supporters when they call quoting Trump's own words "MSM lies" and call you "libtard".
Actual discussions on the policies usually got drowned by the propaganda and personal attacks fast. This was an election won by trolls, some of them on Putin's payroll. It rather chillingly mirrors Polish experience from the last year.
What it means that unless we have people who are moderators actually doing their job and keeping the discussion civil and on-topic, we won't have good discussions, at least online. Thing is, Pi S are not interested in such discussions and prefer to use their own media conglomerates to smear everyone who isn't onboard with their abuse of power as "commies" or "terrorist supporters". And most people don't bother to do fact-checking.
Some douche-canoe told me that Cap's "America is trash without its ideals" speech wasn't real because it was an ALTERNATE universe, and therefore it didn't count.
Like... maybe it's real because someone fucking published it, and it's affected many Americans with its power?
Not to mention how Tumblr does, in fact, allow federal investigators to view posts. So yeah, not a very smart move.
Let's hope for impeachment instead - less violent, and also less illegal.
See, I'm not usually part of the "canon is poisonous" crowd...except for cases like that. Fuck that.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:25:58 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!I used to hang out with a group of people online some time ago that while probably not alt-right per se, are close enough to being so that I feel like my experiences with them help explain a lot of the alt-right's behavior. I know a lot of people on the internet and who might eventually have become alt-right are probably quite similar to them. I still have some of them on my FB feed and what I've seen from some of them has been...disappointing. One of them posted some pro-Trump tirade but the worst part is I don't know if he was serious or just trolling because he has a really fucked up sense of humor. Another made an extremely insensitive joke about Trump's "grabbed by the pussy" line. I talked to them again some months ago for the first time in like 2 years and was kind of taken aback by how much my views had changed over the years...while theirs had not.
Many of them have ostensibly liberal views, but the main thing that separates them from the average TVT'er isn't even necessarily racism, misogyny or homophobia per se (although yes there's some of that) but an extremely poisonous cynicism, misanthropy and apathy that defines their entire behavior.
Many of them seem to embrace a bizarre version of conservatism where they feel like being passionate or caring about anything makes you some sort of Mickey Mouse figure that's open to mockery. That it doesn't matter how bad the world is because that's nothing new and trying to change it just makes you look self-righteous. There's a very strong suspicion about anyone who is advocating for a group they're not a part of, with the implication being that men who defend feminists must have ulterior motives for doing so or are just doing that to make themselves feel morally superior. One of them is so jaded, nihilistic and filled with self-loathing that I wonder how he can even live anymore.
It's a strange mindset to be sure.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:28:11 PM by Draghinazzo
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I hear that, radicalism is in many ways the political reflection of Evil Is Easy.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:26:09 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Also I just discovered that the number of electorial votes a state gets isn't always proportional to it's population.
What the flying fuck, America? I mean, I can wrap my head around the basic concept of the electoral college sounding like a good idea, but who decided it would a good idea to just kind of arbitrarily give some votes more weight than others because of location?

Trump can bring change, not necessarily for the better though.
On the fear of Trump supporters: Not entirely unjustified.
edited 10th Nov '16 3:03:32 PM by AngelusNox
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