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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#153451: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:09:01 PM

[up][up][up] I stick to a small circle of friends on Deviantart, mostly Americans who also hate America now, and just go on Twitter to look at Japanese fanart of Japanese games I like.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:09:26 PM by Bat178

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#153452: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:09:42 PM

My FB feed is perfectly fine, it's my usual political hangouts (besides this thread) that are making me want to quit.

The primary vote itself was not rigged, as far as I know. The DNC isn't really responsible for that.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#153453: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:11:15 PM

There are women who think that Hillary is too emotional while others think that she's too unemotional? Wow. She really couldn't win with them.
... That's not how I read it. To me it seemed to be saying the following:

  • Premise #1: Women are highly emotional.
  • Premise #2: Highly emotional people are unfit to be president.
  • Conclusion from P1 and P2: Women are unfit to be president, and thus should not run for the office in the first place.
  • Premise #3: People who defy the "norm" for their gender are unfit to be president.
  • Premise #4: Hillary Clinton is "unemotional", which is in contravention to P1.
  • Conclusion from P3 and P4: Hillary Clinton is unfit to be president.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153454: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:11:39 PM

And? Staying in an environment that agrees with you politically 99% of the time is not something I'd advise. I'd argue in favor of the opposite in fact.

Honestly, when disagreeing or even not being 101% on board with whatever is being parroted or whatever politician whose ass they kiss gets you to be called a "Cuck libtard nigger fagot jew! Cry me some SJW tears" repeatedly I don't blame him for trying to distance himself from that toxicity.

Since Trump won the Republican nomination being on any comment section or participating of social media is getting unbearable.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#153455: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:12:21 PM

If you want my opinion, what you really mean is that you've done a great job insulating yourself in an echo chamber not particularly different from the one Trump's supporters find themselves in. 99% of your time talking politics is better spent interacting with people with whom you disagree.

To add to this, doing so means you're avoiding the opinions of half of the country. Even if you know beforehand that you hate said opinions, it's worth knowing exactly what they are.

And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#153456: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:14:30 PM

Okay, so here's some petitions aiming to get Garland appointed: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-garland-now-senate-has-waived-its-rights https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/we-people-ask-president-obama-immediately-appoint-merrick-garland-supreme-court

Don't know how effective they'd be, but I figure it's worth a shot

@Alley Oop In the case of global warming, there's still various geoengineering options to consider if things get really bad. They have various drawbacks, definitely, but we may reach a point where they're a lot better than the alternative. Getting people to agree on them is a whole different story, but it's possible.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#153457: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:14:41 PM

@Link: There was no electoral fraud that we know of, but dates were shuffled about to maximize Hillary Clinton's early delegate count, among other measures that were taken to prevent someone from repeating Obama's feat in 2008. That may or may not have cost the democrats the election, and if they intend to take a real lesson from this election rather than just doubling down like the GOP until we get a hideous caricature of the social justice movement running away with the nomination a decade or two down the line, its their responsibility to seriously look at what went wrong, both in the nominating process and in the election itself.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#153458: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:15:25 PM

[up][up] I, Garland, will knock you all down!

[down] Fixed.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:16:46 PM by Bat178

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153460: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:18:02 PM

Garland isn't going anywhere.

Regarding climate, its up to the private sector now. Weather control machines are no longer the exclusive realm of cliche villains, heroic entrepreneurs need to build them to save the planet.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#153461: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:18:51 PM

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/796830082564231168

James Comey likely cost us the election

Fucking christ.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#153462: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:19:02 PM

@Marq FJA: Based on what I saw of the interviews, I think you're both right. Some women think she's too emotional by virtue of being a woman (as a woman, she's going to react emotionally instead of rationally, she's hard-wired that way because she's a woman) and any woman is therefore biologically unfit to be president. Other women think she's a cold-hearted person who doesn't have an emotional bone in her body and is therefore incapable of making an emotional connection with the American people. And there there were people who were basically rationalising the way you just described.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153463: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:19:19 PM

Do we know who is supposed to be the new DNC chair since DWS is supposed to be out?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#153464: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:23:18 PM

... That's not how I read it. To me it seemed to be saying the following: Premise #1: Women are highly emotional. Premise #2: Highly emotional people are unfit to be president.
I love that some people have gotten the idea into their heads that women are too emotional to be president, but Donald Trump somehow isn't? Like I hate to say there's a double standard of "Women who are angry are hysterical, men who are angry are righteous," but it's hard to argue that a lot of people think that.

If you want my opinion, what you really mean is that you've done a great job insulating yourself in an echo chamber not particularly different from the one Trump's supporters find themselves in. 99% of your time talking politics is better spent interacting with people with whom you disagree.
This is a fair point. I don't think I would have been blindsided as much as I was by all of this if I'd heard more from the other side. And it's important to listen to other people's concerns, and not get too attached to an idea if it's the wrong one. But emotional health is also important. Link, if you need to stay away from toxic environments, you do that.

Also, given the whole 'online echo chambers' thing (hell, sites like Facebook select what you see based on an algorithm), I can't help but wonder if discussions with the opposite side are a lot more productive outside of an online setting. Although, with what we've seen with some of the Trump supporters, taking care of your personal safety is also really important right now.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153465: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:26:01 PM

Two and two, maybe? S Mall enough to have personal conversation, but enough to defend yourselves if you got unlucky?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#153466: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:27:40 PM

Of all the things which happened during the election, the interference of the FBI was easily the most disgraceful.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153467: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:28:14 PM

I'd be a lot more willing to talk to a Trump voter if so many of them online weren't alt-right fuckheads who insist on throwing out insults instead of trying to have a rational conversation.

I mean I agree with Capsase's point that insulating yourself isn't productive to political activism but for myself I don't really know where I'd start.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#153468: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:29:03 PM

Regarding climate, its up to the private sector now. Weather control machines are no longer the exclusive realm of cliche villains, heroic entrepreneurs need to build them to save the planet.

There seems to be some panic among at least some scientists right now. I'm in a STEM career, and my American colleagues are telling me they're really nervous about their futures right now. They've already been living in an atmosphere where the Republicans have been trying to name and shame any one working in key STEM areas (climate change, renewable energy, stem-cell research or any scientific/medical field that brings a scientist into contact with foetal tissue).

I already know of one scientist who was offered a job before the election, who has been strongly advised by their own circle of American colleagues to not go into the US right now in that area - not just because of what's going on in the sciences, but also because the huge uncertainty now about things like healthcare insurance.

In light of that advice, they've turned the job down (there were a few other personal factors that weighed in on their decision, but the advice from scientific colleagues in light of the election result did ultimately tip the scales). We're not the only people over here with American STEM colleagues who are feeling this way.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:31:02 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153469: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:29:27 PM

You have to be careful with Trump supporters, a good portion will simply insult you. Another group will threaten if not outright assault you.

[up]Then its up to another country. The city on the hill smashed its light.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:30:28 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153470: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:30:54 PM

That is the biggest problem - going out to talk with someone who voted Trump is Russian roulette.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#153471: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:31:47 PM

[up][up][up]GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

I have a STEM degree and it is already being a pain in the ass to get a job in the field here, and one of the advice I got was move to the US.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:32:48 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#153472: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:32:00 PM

The irony of course is that there are plenty of right-wingers pushing that STEM is the only meaningful kind of education, and that the humanities aren't worth bothering with.

Needless to say, I think all forms of education in the US are going to fucked either way.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:32:17 PM by Eschaton

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#153473: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:32:28 PM

Okay, so here's some petitions aiming to get Garland appointed:
He can appoint anyone he wants. But the senate actually has to be willing to vote someone in for anything to happen, and right now they're not.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153474: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:32:40 PM

It wasn't like that for other Republicans before either.

I used to be on other forums with people who supported Mc Cain back in the 08 election. I disagreed with them on a lot of things and I don't think anyone would have really been able to change their minds (or maybe they changed their views later thanks to those conversations and other things, who knows) but the conversations were at least for the most part civil. Talking with conservatives usually isn't THAT bad in my experience.

Not so with Trump.

edited 10th Nov '16 2:33:39 PM by Draghinazzo

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#153475: Nov 10th 2016 at 2:32:56 PM

Trump has the support of the Neo-Nazis and the KKK. Be more than careful around his supporters. Don't go near them. I'm noticing a serious lack of them in this forum, and I think that says something about the quality of this place and the quality of the people who actually support what he's selling.


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