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@IFwanderer: We thought 'grab them by the pussy' would have been a nail in Trump's coffin anyway. The thing is, the people who weren't already put off by it were the people who didn't want to vote for a woman (that is, the same kind of person who would vote for a candidate who supports grabbing women by the pussy), and I'm not sure if that group is bigger or smaller than the number of people who would resist voting for a Jewish man.
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After reading a think piece from a woman who voted Trump anyway despite that comment because "Clinton wasn't hard enough on Muslims"?
Yeah, I'd rather not underestimate the effects of calling someone a tankie.
edited 10th Nov '16 12:06:49 PM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotI did an Archive Trawl in the thread and found the Sanders opposition research link again:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13103447000A18674100&page=6058#151439
This may have been posted already, but I found this article
pretty interesting, even if I don't really know what to think.
I do think Hillary would have made a far better President than Sanders. I do not regret for a moment that she was selected as our candidate. But looking back, naming him as her running mate would have won the election. I'm certain of that.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Less than 24 hours after the mood at the Clinton election night party at the Jacob Javits Convention Center turned from celebratory to funereal, aides wondered how they could have lost so badly, why they didn’t see it coming, and how the Democrat could have lost to Trump.
One surrogate blamed the poor sampling models and analytics that the campaign was so reliant on. It hadn’t done traditional tracking polls for the last month.
Other aides and surrogates pointed to an arrogance that came from the top.
Some faulted the top brass for not properly allocating the resources they needed to win states.
Given Clinton’s primary loss to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in Michigan, allies questioned why the Democratic nominee didn’t double down in the state much earlier.
Allies on the ground complained for weeks that they weren’t getting the resources they needed.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat
Are you FUCKING kidding me?!
New Survey coming this weekend!@Ace Of Spades: That's probably why it never happens. The loser in a primary loses for a reason, even if they come in second place. It's probably thought of as better to leave that baggage alone. Plus, you know, those campaigns usually involve a lot of mudslinging and it's unlikely that emotions can smooth over so easily.
One wonders how differently these things might turn out if voting were a requirement rather than just a right. If it were illegal for businesses besides Polling establishments to be open that day, you'd have slightly less reason for people not to turn out. I'm sure you'd get a lot of people spite voting just because, but you might get a more accurate assessment of how the country really feels and who it wants.
Obama: "Once out of office, I’m gonna stop being polite and start getting real".
Well, this is going to be interesting. Obama is a smart man and still has a high amount of approval. I hope he'll use that power wisely.
I also think Clinton would've won if she picked Sanders. Because it would have signaled that she actually cared about what he and his supporters had to say, and Sanders would have held her to that.
But as mentioned, that was never going to happen, because that's not how she operates. Saying a candidate would've won if they were essentially a different person is kind of a pointless argument.
Sounds like he's going to become what Cheney was during the first few years of his admin, a relentless critic of his predecessor.
On another note, electing Trump means not only is the US gleefully going to ignore climate change, other countries will have to choose between economic crashes and destroying the planet in the face of competition. But at least we get our precious pipeline.
Thanks a ton, America.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.I'm still pissed.
You were upsetted in a state with a heavy black and latino population by a couple or so points, and instead of figuring out WHY you lost and correct any issues well before the general starts you not only ignore it, but you shaft the people on the ground repeatedly asking for more resources, people, and money?
Good fucking GOD.
New Survey coming this weekend!

For better or worse, I think the electoral college should stay for the time being until it can be replaced by something better than the popular vote ("aka. absolute mob rule). Voters tend to be a heated, factionalistic lot that romanticizes elections as a battle of good vs pure evil. Maybe something involving educated voting representatives of and who actually live in the towns/cities who in turn elected them. And they cant have been politicians. Strictly people who live amidst the communities affected most by these political decisions.
edited 10th Nov '16 12:12:50 PM by nervmeister