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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#153351: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:03:01 PM

For better or worse, I think the electoral college should stay for the time being until it can be replaced by something better than the popular vote ("aka. absolute mob rule). Voters tend to be a heated, factionalistic lot that romanticizes elections as a battle of good vs pure evil. Maybe something involving educated voting representatives of and who actually live in the towns/cities who in turn elected them. And they cant have been politicians. Strictly people who live amidst the communities affected most by these political decisions.

edited 10th Nov '16 12:12:50 PM by nervmeister

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153352: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:04:11 PM

So basically repeat what Nebraska and Maine have?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#153353: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:04:47 PM

@IFwanderer: We thought 'grab them by the pussy' would have been a nail in Trump's coffin anyway. The thing is, the people who weren't already put off by it were the people who didn't want to vote for a woman (that is, the same kind of person who would vote for a candidate who supports grabbing women by the pussy), and I'm not sure if that group is bigger or smaller than the number of people who would resist voting for a Jewish man.

It's been fun.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#153354: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:06:25 PM

[up][up][up][up]After reading a think piece from a woman who voted Trump anyway despite that comment because "Clinton wasn't hard enough on Muslims"?

Yeah, I'd rather not underestimate the effects of calling someone a tankie.

edited 10th Nov '16 12:06:49 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#153356: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:09:08 PM

This may have been posted already, but I found this article pretty interesting, even if I don't really know what to think.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#153357: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:09:09 PM

Well, we can't know either way. I don't think oppo research would've stopped him because le movement. If you think it would've, let's agree to disagree.

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#153358: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:16:46 PM

I do think Hillary would have made a far better President than Sanders. I do not regret for a moment that she was selected as our candidate. But looking back, naming him as her running mate would have won the election. I'm certain of that.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#153359: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:19:32 PM

Has any candidate named their primary opponent as their running mate, though? If someone ever thought to do that it'd be interesting to see, at least. But, you know, they probably had the same concerns about him that caused him to lose the primary.

edited 10th Nov '16 12:19:56 PM by AceofSpades

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#153360: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:21:35 PM

[up]Bush sr. to Reagan?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153361: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:22:08 PM

I know Kennedy did name LBJ in '60.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#153362: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:22:33 PM

That was never in the cards anyway. She promised Kaine the VP spot a couple years before the election even started, if he would give Debbie Wasserman Schultz his job at the DNC.

edited 10th Nov '16 12:23:41 PM by xanderiskander

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#153363: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:27:09 PM

“It was a mismanaged campaign from the start, 150 percent,” one aide said. “There was so much stuff that needed fixing. I thought we might have learned some lessons from the primary. But as you can tell from last night, probably not.”

Less than 24 hours after the mood at the Clinton election night party at the Jacob Javits Convention Center turned from celebratory to funereal, aides wondered how they could have lost so badly, why they didn’t see it coming, and how the Democrat could have lost to Trump.

One surrogate blamed the poor sampling models and analytics that the campaign was so reliant on. It hadn’t done traditional tracking polls for the last month.

Other aides and surrogates pointed to an arrogance that came from the top.

Some faulted the top brass for not properly allocating the resources they needed to win states.

Given Clinton’s primary loss to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in Michigan, allies questioned why the Democratic nominee didn’t double down in the state much earlier.

Allies on the ground complained for weeks that they weren’t getting the resources they needed.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat

Are you FUCKING kidding me?!

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#153364: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:27:11 PM

@Ace Of Spades: That's probably why it never happens. The loser in a primary loses for a reason, even if they come in second place. It's probably thought of as better to leave that baggage alone. Plus, you know, those campaigns usually involve a lot of mudslinging and it's unlikely that emotions can smooth over so easily.

One wonders how differently these things might turn out if voting were a requirement rather than just a right. If it were illegal for businesses besides Polling establishments to be open that day, you'd have slightly less reason for people not to turn out. I'm sure you'd get a lot of people spite voting just because, but you might get a more accurate assessment of how the country really feels and who it wants.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#153365: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:27:38 PM

Obama: "Once out of office, I’m gonna stop being polite and start getting real". Well, this is going to be interesting. Obama is a smart man and still has a high amount of approval. I hope he'll use that power wisely.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#153366: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:30:10 PM

[up][up]Can't make it illegal at federal level to open for business on a given day - even on federal holidays the only things that must close are government offices and banks.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#153367: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:30:38 PM

I also think Clinton would've won if she picked Sanders. Because it would have signaled that she actually cared about what he and his supporters had to say, and Sanders would have held her to that.

But as mentioned, that was never going to happen, because that's not how she operates. Saying a candidate would've won if they were essentially a different person is kind of a pointless argument.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#153368: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:31:32 PM

Any support I've seen for HRC herself has evaporated. I mean, I guess this is to be expected, but I don't think she deserves it.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#153369: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:32:07 PM

Sounds like he's going to become what Cheney was during the first few years of his admin, a relentless critic of his predecessor.

On another note, electing Trump means not only is the US gleefully going to ignore climate change, other countries will have to choose between economic crashes and destroying the planet in the face of competition. But at least we get our precious pipeline.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/what-the-election-of-donald-trump-means-for-justin-trudeau/article32776713/?cmpid=PM1116

Thanks a ton, America.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153370: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:33:41 PM

I'm interpreting Obama's statement as him saying he's going to cut the bullshit and address insitutional racism and white supremacy more directly.

Good for him. Compared to a lot of other minorities he's in a much safer position to do so.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#153371: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:34:16 PM

[up]x8 <facepalm>

It never occurred to them that HRC lost the primaries in that state for a reason? And that this same reason might fuck the campaign over in the general election?

edited 10th Nov '16 12:34:33 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#153372: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:37:11 PM

If we're okay with celebrities running for president now, can we have President deGeneres?

On a more serious note, I bet Representative Brian Sims would be an amazing President.

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#153373: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:38:53 PM

Reagan was a movie star. We've BEEN okay with celebrities running for President for a long time.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#153374: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:40:58 PM

I'm still pissed.

You were upsetted in a state with a heavy black and latino population by a couple or so points, and instead of figuring out WHY you lost and correct any issues well before the general starts you not only ignore it, but you shaft the people on the ground repeatedly asking for more resources, people, and money?

Good fucking GOD.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#153375: Nov 10th 2016 at 12:41:08 PM

I wonder if Trump's success may convince Kanye West that he actually has a shot at winning the Presidency?

I mean, I really don't think he could be worse than Trump.


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