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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#148026: Nov 2nd 2016 at 12:50:11 PM

Actually, I almost forgot, the PRIVATE PRISONS are the heart of the beast. Drive a stake through that means of economic income, and the "problem precincts" may be crippled by the shockwaves.

EDIT: Actually, it's probably a bad idea to boil down these modern problems to one hypothetical lynchpin. But it does warrant scrutiny.

edited 2nd Nov '16 12:55:27 PM by nervmeister

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#148027: Nov 2nd 2016 at 12:53:21 PM

Kill me now.

I just had to explain to an avid Stein supporter on FB why it would be nearly impossible to prosecute the Bush administration for "war crimes" and how even then, it'd be a awful idea and set a terrible precedent.

Tuesday can't come soon enough.

New Survey coming this weekend!
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#148028: Nov 2nd 2016 at 1:09:53 PM

[up] Don't even bother - the Greens are like Trump supporters in that they live in their own alternate reality, and are not worth the effort.

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#148029: Nov 2nd 2016 at 1:15:40 PM

@speedyboris on the "Vote Trump" incident: There's a trend on news site comment sections that certain readers are believing that it's a ploy by the Democrats to boost Hillary's rating.

Here's one of the similar trends of comments on ABC's report on the story:

Obvious stunt by Dem operatives desperate to salvage the Black vote ! Black Early Voting Down in Key Battleground States

Also, not meaning to double-post a subject, but since it's on Youtube now, I'd thought I'd repost The Daily Show With Trevor Noah's Halloween episode this year, when they did a post-apocalyptic vision of what Donald Trump's first four years in office would be. Warning: it's a bit horrifyingly depressing.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#148030: Nov 2nd 2016 at 1:16:01 PM

I remembered a time where I wished the GOP was destroyed so the Democrats could move back to the center left thus between the Dems and the Greens, we actually had the option called "a choice."

Oh well :(

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#148032: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:16:07 PM

Christ, this is just getting worse and worse for Clinton - a new leak connects the Assistant AG to the Clinton campaign by virtue of his having given them a heads-up regarding the email probe back in May, 2015.

It's events like these that 'really''' make me wish Sanders had won the nomination. Even though he hasn't been as vetted, I doubt there'd be anywhere near as much shit getting flung at him that he'd created.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148033: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:16:59 PM

Sanders would have blown himself up just fine, as evidenced by his idiotic notion of debating Trump.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#148034: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:40:43 PM

nvm

edited 2nd Nov '16 2:41:22 PM by PhysicalStamina

i'm tired, my friend
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#148036: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:41:11 PM

[up][up]let's not

edited 2nd Nov '16 2:41:32 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148037: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:42:42 PM

[up][up]And unfortunately those parallels include an absolute hatred, even by the standards of the day, for nonwhite folks.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#148038: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:43:25 PM

Oh, I would like to say this re: "I wish Sanders won the election", since I've seen people say this far more than I can bear:

He didn't. Get over it.

edited 2nd Nov '16 2:43:34 PM by PhysicalStamina

i'm tired, my friend
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#148039: Nov 2nd 2016 at 2:45:59 PM

And unlike some of his diehards he managed to be pretty gracious about it.

Look, Sanders seemed like a decent guy, if remarkably tone deaf on a few issues. He tried, he lost, he conceded, and went to work for Clinton.

Bill Weld on Clinton. I increasingly think that she should offer him a job.

edited 2nd Nov '16 3:01:29 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#148040: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:01:31 PM

[up]

You misunderstand my point - I'm not a Bernie or Bust type, but god damn it's hard to approve of Clinton with all this shit (of her own making - "if you don't want to get caught doing something, don't do it", after all) flying around. And all that said, I absolutely dread if Trump somehow pulls off a win against her - and that's the inherent problem. For many people, myself included, this is an election about "Who do you hate the least?" rather than "Who do you like the most?", and there's only so far you're able to motivate people with the former.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#148041: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:14:47 PM

Most of this "shit", as you put it, is not of her own making in any way, shape or form, unless you consider being viciously attacked for things you had no control over (like her husband's infidelity) to be her fault. Of the remaining ones, the email issue is an absurdity, the Clinton Foundation is a complete blank, and her work at State was pretty darn good, all things considered.

It is hard to conceive of a public figure with anything approaching her stature who could pass this ineffable test for perfection that people seem to be applying. People are looking for excuses to dislike her, and then using those excuses as retroactive justifications for why they disliked her all along.

I say this as someone who does not uniformly agree with all of her political positions, so don't get on my case as some kind of shill.

edited 2nd Nov '16 3:18:18 PM by Fighteer

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#148042: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:20:43 PM

[up]This [tup][awesome]

The e-mail thing is a complete non-issue that the Republicans keep trying to make into some sort of bullshit "scandal" that they can use against her. And all their efforts have come to naught, yet they persist in trying to nail her on something.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. — Albert Einstein

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#148043: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:29:07 PM

For many people, myself included, this is an election about "Who do you hate the least?" rather than "Who do you like the most?", and there's only so far you're able to motivate people with the former.

It's generally more like that anyway. Maybe not to this extreme but if your issue is that you don't find any candidate inspiring enough to motivate you to vote, that's more on you and not them. I mean, appeal is important, but at the end of the day their jobs are supposed to be to govern, not make you feel warm and fuzzy.

If you find this offensive or that it doesn't apply to you directly, it most certainly applies to a lot of other people, and needs to be said.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#148044: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:29:37 PM

On the race for the House of Representatives, the scenario isn't that bright for the Democrats.

The Economist: Democrats seem unlikely to turn the House map blue ]

THE polls have tightened since the news, late last week, of fresh e-mail difficulties for Hillary Clinton, but the Democratic nominee still seems likely to win the White House on November 8th. If she is victorious, however, Mrs Clinton is likely to take the helm of a divided government.

For while Democrats still have a chance at wresting control of the Senate—punters peg their chances at 62%—something more dramatic would be needed to give them the House of Representatives, where their hopes are deemed to be about one in ten. As Barack Obama knows well, passing legislation through a recalcitrant Republican opposition, as Mrs Clinton is almost sure to face, can be a difficult undertaking.

The lack of polling at the house-district level makes empirical forecasting difficult. Nonetheless qualitative projections, given by experts, give some guidance. Even in an American election as tumultuous as this, 213 of the seats are rating as safely Republican, compared with 182 rated safely Democratic. Only 218 seats are needed for a majority.

Only 12 of the 435 races, less than 3%, are rated as tossups. Good-government advocates bemoan this sort of congressional entrenchment, though its cause can be hard to attribute. Some blame gerrymandering—the redrawing of boundaries for electoral gain—and indeed Republicans won 51% of votes in the 2014 elections, though they translated that advantage to 57% of House seats. Others point the finger at the so-called “incumbency effect”, and perhaps rightly so. Last time, 95% of congressmen who sought re-election got their wish.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#148045: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:29:42 PM

My understanding is that the e-mail server thing was kind of a mistake on her part, and she's admitted to that, but I don't think it would have blown up the way it did if it was another politician.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#148046: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:33:41 PM

G.W. Bush had his own version of the email scandal, it got quickly buried.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#148047: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:39:21 PM

Donald Trump and his businesses have deleted countless emails, often in direct defiance of court orders, that were subpoenaed in both civil and criminal suits. Where's that in the news? Lock her up?

edited 2nd Nov '16 3:39:38 PM by Fighteer

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#148048: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:45:51 PM

[up][up] That's what happens when you invade the wrong country. Everyone forgets about your emails.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#148049: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:46:36 PM

Some time ago, somebody on this forum said that the lesson to be learned from the whole e-mail thing is: "US gov't IT tech stinks and desperately needs to be upgraded," not: "Hillary is evil/bad/wrong."

I'd like to give credit where it's due, but I forget who posted it, sorry...

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably

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