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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147876: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:05:49 PM

Dude. Here in Alabama they don't even ASK for your political party. They didn't ask me, at any rate.

Which is how it ought to be. I suppose it's different down here though, here you'd actually get someone who "religiously objects to homosexuals" working in places like hospitals and shit.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147877: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:06:35 PM

[up][up][up][up]I don't think party politics really had much to do with either of them getting nominated. Clinton just straight up got a majority of votes, and there were just too many Republicans in the running to get a clear majority so Trump won by just getting the largest chunk, which was like 38% or something.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:07:02 PM by LSBK

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#147878: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:07:36 PM

Wait, in some states they actually want your party affiliation on your driver's license?

I swear, the more I hear about America the more it sounds like an alternate universe.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:07:51 PM by Pseudopartition

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#147879: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:08:50 PM

[up]No no, when getting a driver's license, you have the option of also registering to vote (in California).

[up][up][up]Fair point. In the case of Clinton, a lot of people object (with or without any basis in reality) to the fact that she was even running to begin with, and that the party brass was behind her. In the case of Trump, I suppose it might be more a failure of party politics, or a failure in some aspects and all-to-successful in others, that resulted in a nutjob taking the stage.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:13:34 PM by Eschaton

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147880: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:09:48 PM

[up]x8 It is when the Election is on your mind for nearly every waking moment and you just want someone to tell you that it's going to be alright. I want to read a poll that doesn't make me stressed out by saying that Trump could actually win. So if that means ditching said poll and going over to another one which doesn't make me stressed out, then so be it.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:13:12 PM by kkhohoho

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#147881: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:09:56 PM

Yeah I registered myself as a Democrat when I got my license and registered to vote. And signed up for the draft too.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:10:24 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#147882: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:10:46 PM

Okay, that makes more sense. Here they just sent me a letter the first election after I turned 18 telling me I could vote now.

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147883: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:11:35 PM

Maybe I've said this before, but I'll say it again. President Obama needs to fire Comey on November 9th. Bringing up Bill Clinton in the context of a 15-year-old case? Comey is trying to influence the election. He needs to go.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147884: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:11:40 PM

I've heard some people say to hell with trying to mitigate the sorts of circumstances that lead to Trump, but the truth is, not all rural poor people or residents of red states are Trump supporters.

The problem isn't that all of those people are Trump supporters. The problem is that a majority of those people vote, in a bloc, to block the efforts that would help them. We can't help the individuals if the majority won't let us.

[up]It's worth saying again. Comey's making it pretty clear where his loyalties lie and if you're the head of the FBI and the answer to that question is anything other than "with the country as a whole" you are unfit for duty.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:12:46 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147885: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:12:05 PM

But when I registered to vote, they didn't ask me for a party or anything. They just took my name and address.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#147886: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:12:11 PM

I don't remember the details of when I registered, but I know I'm under Democrat.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:15:00 PM by Irene

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#147887: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:14:09 PM

Voter registration procedures vary by state. In some, they ask you to declare a party affiliation and in others they do not. The main reason to declare your affiliation is so you can vote in your state's primary elections. It also helps the parties reach out to likely voters.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:14:25 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#147888: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:16:37 PM

A former professor of mine, who definitely knows what he's talking about when it comes to American politics, says that barring a major surprise this week Clinton will win and that he'd put money on it.

He also says that narrowing race is completely normal.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/1411670-dal-prof-predicts-clinton-as-winner

Feels nice to hear that from someone I personally know and trust.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:16:51 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#147889: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:25:31 PM

I also registered independent when I registered this year. This doesn't change the fact that my ticket so far is looking straight Democrat because the opposition in the national races are all firmly in the actual enthusiastic Trump supporter camp but I'm not going to take the Democratic party for granted. Ten years down the line (or some arbitrary number) maybe they will be the ones acting repugnant (and if some of the attiudes on display in this thread tonight become mainstream I'll be wondering). But the bottom line is that the dictates of my own conscience will not be defined by a party platform...they just happen to currently align.

If there's a democrat on the state and local tickets that have done a crappy job (NY has been embroiled in a corruption scandal lately) and the Republican isn't one of the repugnant ones (supporting Trump is a near-instant disqualifier) I won't rule out voting for the Republican. I've yet to find any that qualify for that distinction, however.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:28:20 PM by Elle

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#147890: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:27:04 PM

I should dig the original article but since Brexit won, the xenophobic attacks against immigrants or anyone who is perceived as an outsider increased in England, which fueled the perception that whatever you consider to be part of the outer group as an acceptable target.

Which is my main concern about a Trump victory, his deplorable voter base will feel validated enough to openly discriminate against immigrants and minorities. This is an issue that is on Trump and Trump alone, since the Alt-Right, KKK and the Neo-Nazis are openly supporting Trump and those groups are already likely to use violence against the people they discriminate against. How is Trump going to deal with acts perpetrated by bigoted voter base he actively catered to?

Even if the people who don't want to see Hillary in office and think that because Trump would have zero Democrat support and limited Republican support, Trump wouldn't be a threat because he wouldn't be able to do anything, will still have to account for the actions of his belligerent supporters who will try to act on his behalf and enforce their ideal of "Making America Great Again" by discriminating and being violent against Muslims, Latinos and equality movements such as the BLM.

I don't really buy his "only illegal immigrants should have to worry" rhetoric he and his voter base spew all the time, because I am 101% positive none of them will bother to tell them legal and illegal immigrant apart before jailing and attacking them because they look unamerican.

I think one of the main arguments against Trump is pointing out that besides those disenfranchised voters, there are a lot of openly racist, homophobic and xenophobic groups that support him because they think they will have a higher say on the government and how if you don't fear a Trump presidency you should fear his voters no longer being on a short leash.

edited 1st Nov '16 4:53:00 PM by AngelusNox

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#147891: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:30:03 PM

I don't really buy his "only illegal immigrants should have to worry" rhetoric he and his voter base spew all the time, because I am 101% positive none of them will bother to tell them legal and illegal immigrant apart before jailing and attacking them because they look unamerican.

Yeah it's transparently pretty bullshit because if you have any perspicacity you can see the white nationalism plain as day. It doesn't matter where the minorities were born, the idea for them is that anyone non-white isn't a real american and should either leave or sit quietly without ever complaining about anything.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#147893: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:42:50 PM

There was also an article a while back (I think posted in the racism thread) about how white supremacy groups are pleased with Trump's success (relatively speaking) and thanked him for "softening" people to racist ideas for the years to come.

It was pretty chilling to be honest.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147894: Nov 1st 2016 at 4:46:59 PM

I've heard guys like David Duke express the same thoughts.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#147895: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:08:23 PM

The KKK officially support Trump for president.

So... yeah. Really no better reason to vote Clinton than that.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#147896: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:20:56 PM

Well that was one hell of an argument that happened when I left. Neato.

I suppose the more certain a Clinton victory is the harder it is for me to give a shit about it. There'll probably be an amusing weeklong shitshow as the results are contested.

Once Trump falls it'll be harder for these groups to organize as efficiently, but at best that buys us 2-4 years before some new asshole goes for it. I'm really more concerned as to what happens next, really.

A Clinton victory puts the Supreme Court firmly in liberal ground, but it also gives the Right a reason to fight like hell until Midterms, to rev up support at a time when Democrats tend to be feeling lazy.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#147897: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:31:06 PM

This is pages old and probably irrelevant, but:

[up][up] Ah yes, traits symbolic of our greatest President, Andrew Jackson, who dragged the Indians kicking and screaming out of the southeastern United States.

You should probably correct that to "Presidents that push views that I personally agree with against the wishes of powers that I personally disagree with".

I said said dragged the country forward, which was already a subjective judgment. But furthermore, you should probably learn to recognize the difference between a necessary and sufficient condition.

edited 1st Nov '16 5:32:03 PM by Clarste

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#147898: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:31:37 PM

I hope the experiences of the last few years will teach the Democrats to not be so complacent about Congress in the future.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#147899: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:31:56 PM

Donald Trump's Companies Destroyed E-mails in Defiance of Court Orders

Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.This behavior is of particular import given Trump’s frequent condemnations of Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent, for having deleted more than 30,000 emails from a server she used during her time as secretary of state. While Clinton and her lawyers have said all of those emails were personal, Trump has suggested repeatedly on the campaign trail that they were government documents Clinton was trying to hide and that destroying them constituted a crime. The allegation—which the FBI concluded was not supported by any evidence—is a crowd-pleaser at Trump rallies, often greeted by supporters chanting, “Lock her up!”

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147900: Nov 1st 2016 at 5:40:32 PM

[up]On how many will the irony/hypocrisy be lost on I wonder...


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