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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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I don't think party politics really had much to do with either of them getting nominated. Clinton just straight up got a majority of votes, and there were just too many Republicans in the running to get a clear majority so Trump won by just getting the largest chunk, which was like 38% or something.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:07:02 PM by LSBK
No no, when getting a driver's license, you have the option of also registering to vote (in California).
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Fair point. In the case of Clinton, a lot of people object (with or without any basis in reality) to the fact that she was even running to begin with, and that the party brass was behind her. In the case of Trump, I suppose it might be more a failure of party politics, or a failure in some aspects and all-to-successful in others, that resulted in a nutjob taking the stage.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:13:34 PM by Eschaton
x8 It is when the Election is on your mind for nearly every waking moment and you just want someone to tell you that it's going to be alright. I want to read a poll that doesn't make me stressed out by saying that Trump could actually win. So if that means ditching said poll and going over to another one which doesn't make me stressed out, then so be it.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:13:12 PM by kkhohoho
The problem isn't that all of those people are Trump supporters. The problem is that a majority of those people vote, in a bloc, to block the efforts that would help them. We can't help the individuals if the majority won't let us.
It's worth saying again. Comey's making it pretty clear where his loyalties lie and if you're the head of the FBI and the answer to that question is anything other than "with the country as a whole" you are unfit for duty.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:12:46 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Voter registration procedures vary by state. In some, they ask you to declare a party affiliation and in others they do not. The main reason to declare your affiliation is so you can vote in your state's primary elections. It also helps the parties reach out to likely voters.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:14:25 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"A former professor of mine, who definitely knows what he's talking about when it comes to American politics, says that barring a major surprise this week Clinton will win and that he'd put money on it.
He also says that narrowing race is completely normal.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/1411670-dal-prof-predicts-clinton-as-winner
Feels nice to hear that from someone I personally know and trust.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:16:51 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.I also registered independent when I registered this year. This doesn't change the fact that my ticket so far is looking straight Democrat because the opposition in the national races are all firmly in the actual enthusiastic Trump supporter camp but I'm not going to take the Democratic party for granted. Ten years down the line (or some arbitrary number) maybe they will be the ones acting repugnant (and if some of the attiudes on display in this thread tonight become mainstream I'll be wondering). But the bottom line is that the dictates of my own conscience will not be defined by a party platform...they just happen to currently align.
If there's a democrat on the state and local tickets that have done a crappy job (NY has been embroiled in a corruption scandal lately) and the Republican isn't one of the repugnant ones (supporting Trump is a near-instant disqualifier) I won't rule out voting for the Republican. I've yet to find any that qualify for that distinction, however.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:28:20 PM by Elle
I should dig the original article but since Brexit won, the xenophobic attacks against immigrants or anyone who is perceived as an outsider increased in England, which fueled the perception that whatever you consider to be part of the outer group as an acceptable target.
Which is my main concern about a Trump victory, his deplorable voter base will feel validated enough to openly discriminate against immigrants and minorities. This is an issue that is on Trump and Trump alone, since the Alt-Right, KKK and the Neo-Nazis are openly supporting Trump and those groups are already likely to use violence against the people they discriminate against. How is Trump going to deal with acts perpetrated by bigoted voter base he actively catered to?
Even if the people who don't want to see Hillary in office and think that because Trump would have zero Democrat support and limited Republican support, Trump wouldn't be a threat because he wouldn't be able to do anything, will still have to account for the actions of his belligerent supporters who will try to act on his behalf and enforce their ideal of "Making America Great Again" by discriminating and being violent against Muslims, Latinos and equality movements such as the BLM.
I don't really buy his "only illegal immigrants should have to worry" rhetoric he and his voter base spew all the time, because I am 101% positive none of them will bother to tell them legal and illegal immigrant apart before jailing and attacking them because they look unamerican.
I think one of the main arguments against Trump is pointing out that besides those disenfranchised voters, there are a lot of openly racist, homophobic and xenophobic groups that support him because they think they will have a higher say on the government and how if you don't fear a Trump presidency you should fear his voters no longer being on a short leash.
edited 1st Nov '16 4:53:00 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesYeah it's transparently pretty bullshit because if you have any perspicacity you can see the white nationalism plain as day. It doesn't matter where the minorities were born, the idea for them is that anyone non-white isn't a real american and should either leave or sit quietly without ever complaining about anything.
Well that was one hell of an argument that happened when I left. Neato.
I suppose the more certain a Clinton victory is the harder it is for me to give a shit about it. There'll probably be an amusing weeklong shitshow as the results are contested.
Once Trump falls it'll be harder for these groups to organize as efficiently, but at best that buys us 2-4 years before some new asshole goes for it. I'm really more concerned as to what happens next, really.
A Clinton victory puts the Supreme Court firmly in liberal ground, but it also gives the Right a reason to fight like hell until Midterms, to rev up support at a time when Democrats tend to be feeling lazy.
This is pages old and probably irrelevant, but:
You should probably correct that to "Presidents that push views that I personally agree with against the wishes of powers that I personally disagree with".
I said said dragged the country forward, which was already a subjective judgment. But furthermore, you should probably learn to recognize the difference between a necessary and sufficient condition.
edited 1st Nov '16 5:32:03 PM by Clarste
Donald Trump's Companies Destroyed E-mails in Defiance of Court Orders

Dude. Here in Alabama they don't even ASK for your political party. They didn't ask me, at any rate.
Which is how it ought to be. I suppose it's different down here though, here you'd actually get someone who "religiously objects to homosexuals" working in places like hospitals and shit.
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you