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#147551: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:41:38 PM

[up][up] It's not. It is, however, much more prevalent in the United States than in other non-tyrannical nations. Usually, it takes a dictator to go, "X is the cause of all your problems! Let us destroy them!" It's an easy way to rally a people into forgetting how much you're shitting on them.

But we do it democratically, holding open deliberations trying to figure out who we should be hating.

edited 31st Oct '16 2:42:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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AzureSpiritStone Since: Aug, 2014
#147552: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:42:19 PM

Yeah, that seems pretty normal. People terrified about this election project their fears onto the candidate they fear most, it seems.

Were it only so easy to solve the underlying problems.

Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#147553: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:42:43 PM

Seeing as it's Halloween where I am, has there ever been a fan edit of the scene in Its The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown of the scene with Linus, with Sally beside him, suddenly shouting "There he is! The Great Pumpkin's rising out of the pumpkin patch!" and fainting, only for it to be Snoopy,, but Donald Trump edited in there?

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#147554: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:43:35 PM

i dont know

but there should be

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#147555: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:43:35 PM

That's an awfully specific question.

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AzureSpiritStone Since: Aug, 2014
#147556: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:44:09 PM

Okay, this I want to see be real. It'd help me calm down a bit, for sure.

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#147557: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:44:14 PM

I've changed my mind about Comey just doing his job. Fuck this guy. He needs to be fired for this.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#147558: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:44:31 PM

yes, but I could say the moon is made of cheese. Obviously that's a very extreme example but just saying it doesn't make it So. Other than just that statement, what actual hard evidence was given?

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#147559: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:48:34 PM

What was the actual hard evidence that Russia is behind all of this? Does every single thing damaging to Hillary have to be a conspiracy?

The evidence is that US intelligence agencies - not just Democrats, but the agencies themselves - are saying that the hack was ordered by the Kremlin. Here's a UK newspaper with a good reputation reporting on it:

“We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities,” said the office of the director of national intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in a joint statement.

[...]

The US agencies said that some US states had detected attempts to breach their election systems, and that most of those attempts originated from servers operated by a Russian company. “However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government,” the statement said.

[...]

US intelligence and the Obama administration had concluded over the summer that sophisticated Russian hackers were responsible for hacking the servers of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and leaking emails that embarrassed senior Democratic officeholders.

But for months, White House and other US officials have stopped short of publicly accusing Putin’s government, a rhetorical reluctance that Republicans have criticized and which has intensified a debate about how to deter digital attacks.

[...]

Security firms believe a single operation is behind the attacks into the closed digital systems. The hacking group has been assigned different shorthand names by different analysts – including the flamboyant moniker Fancy Bear – as well as Advanced Persistent Threat (APT) 28 and the Sofacy group. Fancy Bear is believed to be operating under the aegis of the GRU, Russia’s largest intelligence service.

The US authorities' statement is here.

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. [...] These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. [...] We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.

So if you claim they hack didn't come from Russia, you're arguing against the US intelligence services.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#147560: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:48:41 PM

edited 31st Oct '16 2:48:55 PM by Xopher001

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147561: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:49:39 PM

Well, I mean, it's not like we're going to have access to the FBI's evidence. We're kind of taking their word for it that said evidence exists.

But Russia trying to influence the election isn't really new. What would be new is if they were succeeding.

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#147562: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:52:42 PM

yes, but I could say the moon is made of cheese.

Sure, but you're not several highly respected and independent US intelligence agencies, if you were and said that I'd give the possibility of a cheese moon serious consideration.

Other than just that statement, what actual hard evidence was given?

Shockingly enough US intelligence agencies don't tend to share how they gather their information with the public at large, so I don't know, but I trust said agencies wouldn't make this us, if you don't trust said agencies I'd be curious as to why.

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#147563: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:53:04 PM

That is a fair point, though: we're not given hard evidence. We're only given press releases from intelligence agencies. The public tends to trust these agencies to be truthful, but of course (especially on the US) they have a very bad track record about it. Perhaps we're too keen to trust the allegations against Russia?

That said, I do think it's quite a high standard for trusting news like this that we're not taking government agencies at their word, even in a situation where they have plausible reasons for why they must keep their hard evidence secret (for now).

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147564: Oct 31st 2016 at 2:59:25 PM

So I take it that a while back Stein went on al-Jazeera and made an ass of herself. I just got linked to an article about it, and hoo boy, the comments directed at the host. If I never see the phrase "evil Muslim god believer" again it will be too soon. There's a reason I bailed on the militant atheist movement—some of these people would fit right at home in Trump's basket of deplorables.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#147565: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:02:55 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that the intelligence agencies really don't like operating on unsubstantiated evidence, because it's really easy to end up with a messed up conclusion. They aren't going to say anything unless they're sure that it's true.

TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#147566: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:04:07 PM

Okay, thank you. Sincere here. So we do know it did orginate from Russia?

But that seemed to be about the DNC emails. Not to make light of it, but hasn't any fallout from that long been minimized? Do we know if the Podesta emails being released by wikileaks was carried out by the same... 'agencies?' hostile actors? Whatever the right word is.

edited 31st Oct '16 3:05:08 PM by TheWanted

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#147567: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:06:57 PM

Wikileaks is a known Russian asset. Most of their leaked information comes from Russian intelligence and then is released through Wikileaks.

Oh really when?
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#147568: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:17:39 PM

It doesn't help that the Russian state media has reported on a Wikileaks release before the release actually happened at least twice now.

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#147569: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:21:08 PM

James Carville just outright said on CNN the FSB, GOP, and FBI are unwillingly or not colluding together.

I....um...damn, son.

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TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#147570: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:21:13 PM

Really? I know I'm nitpicking, but how do we know that? I thought Julian As Santa was from Sweden or something, and is now hiding out in the Bolivian embassy in England to escape charges.

Incidentally, that autocorrect is so hillarious I'm keeping it.

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#147571: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:23:11 PM

All of that is true. Assange has his own agenda but the Russians use him and wikileaks to hurt the US and the West through the method I described.

Wikileaks is a Russian asset, not a direct front. There is a bit of a difference. Either way they're untrustworthy and are to be considered part of the Russian intelligence arm.

edited 31st Oct '16 3:24:04 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#147572: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:24:43 PM

Specifically, he's hiding in an Ecuadorian embassy in London to avoid being extradited to Sweden where he is wanted on two counts of rape.

They've largely tolerated his presence but recently pulled his internet access due to his efforts to undermine the American election. Because they don't want to be associated with that.

edited 31st Oct '16 3:25:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#147574: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:29:27 PM

So the FBI is now looking into possibel Russian ties with Trump's former campaign manager

Please for the love of God, don't rush THIS out.

edited 31st Oct '16 3:30:08 PM by NoName999

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#147575: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:29:32 PM

I don't like that the graphic depicts Trump as the good guy.

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