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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
"Mr. Trump braying about this latest development reminds me of the guy in Monty Python who says 'She's a witch, burn her! Burn her!" Weld said, with a mock British accent. "It has no more content than that. And the point of that skit in Monty Python was that those townspeople were ignorant and stupid — not that they were great."
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My own experience, for one. I live in a very poor neighborhood, yet the majority of the people here are supporting Trump (and that includes the minorities that live here) because they feel bitter at the issues presented by the democratic party- notably the cost of welfare and the burden that it's putting on the middle class.
Furthermore, a lot of people feel bitter due to the fact that they literally cannot escape poverty because of the enforced insurances they must have, plus the fact that they literally cannot escape living under welfare (this is caused by the fact that if they make too much they lose out on welfare, and how much they make from their job isn't enough to pay all the bills or feed their kids, so they're forced to remain low-income or jobless in order to receive welfare in order to actually survive). And this is despite the fact that they actually want to work for a living and work their way up the chain.
Since the democratic party isn't giving them options to get out of the cycle of welfare they're pushed under, the only other option they have is the republican party that is promising change (Even if it's under false pretenses).
Yet, they still don't agree with all of the party's actions nor do they agree with shit like this happening. They're just uninformed like most people are, republican and democrat.
Let me be clear: I do not support Trump and I do not support the modern Republican party. I agree that voting Republican at this point would be really fucking stupid and detrimental to the country.
But don't go throwing everyone that votes Republican under the bus as degenerates simply because you don't see eye-to-eye, and understand that people don't necessarily have to support everything their party says 100%.
edited 31st Oct '16 11:15:51 AM by EpicBleye
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeAre there even enough registered dixiecrats left to be more than a drop in the statistical pond? Even in the near-south where I live the few I know who are still registered democrats are in their 80's now. The rest left the party and went Republican or Libertarian when Obama won the nomination.
edit- God how I'd like to see welfare stigma die in a fire. I've known homeless who refuse it because anyone around here on it is automatically labeled a social parasite.
The insurance hole is a goddamn travesty, but people ignore that it's the doing of the courts and their state's governments and not the president.
edited 31st Oct '16 11:18:02 AM by carbon-mantis
Dixiecrat no longer refers to actual Southern Democrats. It refers to people who, politically, hold to the views of the old Dixiecrat constituency. Almost all of them are Republican now, but that doesn't change their views, just their outlook. One could make a compelling case that Trump himself is a Dixiecrat.
@Forest Technically the government doesn't need to help them. Their numbers are insufficient to achieve an electoral majority.
@Numbers: Remember most of these people are not very well educated. Also they would probably point out that if a pipeline went through a place where they were living and they protested nobody would give a dam. Mind you it's not that what they are saying is true, or that they don't have a whole host of bigoted assumptions about Native Americans, my Mom on her worse days at least seems to believe they are ex savages and current drunken hooligans and welfare loafers who exist to serve as a liberal cudgel against America and to appear in "crying Indian" adds about the environment. Mind you she comes from the Southwest, where the Indian wars are relatively recent history, and very personal memory for both many of the long time locals, and of course the Native Americans themselves.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.By baiting him into saying or doing something stupid.
Remember that time Trump offered to debate Sanders before the primaries were completed and Sanders rose to the occasion, only for Trump to withdraw and claim it was a joke? And how all that ultimately accomplished was the complete destruction of Sanders's credibility among the DNC, who were beyond livid that he would try to sidestep the primaries and debate Trump before a nominee had even been selected?
With a single half-joke, Trump tricked Sanders into politically assassinating himself. It was so effortless for him that one can only imagine how many of Trump's bootprints Sanders would have on his face by the end of each debate.
Trump himself hilariously made that mistake during his "Hillary Rotten Clinton" speech, where he announced that was going to be his new nickname for her instead of Crooked Hillary.
It didn't stick, presumably because of how many people raced to correct him on it. He made himself look like an idiot, then promptly started pretending that didn't happen. As he does.
Voting takes work. Nobody who's just trying to cheese off their parents is actually going to take the time to put in a ballot. They'll just talk about it really loudly whenever their parents are around.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.@Xopher's thing several pages ago
: Well the thing is, if you know anything about the United States' involvement in the Western Hemisphere, you'll know about its interference in the islands of the Caribbean.
While Hispaniola is the most infamous example, a lot of Jamaica's current woes can be attributed to American involvement because they felt it was getting too close to Cuba and more Communist as a result.
But that's a little besides the point that I'm trying to make, which is that while it's true that in the eyes of a lot of people in the Third World it doesn't really matter who wins a US presidential election because they feel they're fucked regardless, I'm pretty sure Trump will be way worse for the world at large than Clinton regardless, if he wins.
Also, you have to remember this op-ed was made before certain other things about Trump came to light, and before we knew Pence would be his VP. (Though I feel going "Trump's just cynically saying this stuff to get elected" ignores how he's been actively making life miserable for racial minorities for years even before the election started, and how whether he actually believes the drivel that comes out of his mouth or not is irrelevant when it causes tangible harm to people, but I digress.)
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.So...Jill Stein is calling for a national conversation on oppressive comedians....
edited 31st Oct '16 12:26:39 PM by TacticalFox88
New Survey coming this weekend!The Democratic platform focuses more on urban needs than it does on rural needs, which makes sense as the strongholds for the Democratic party are cities whereas the Republican party takes basically all the land outside of the cities. Urban people and rural people tend to have very different needs which clash quite frequently.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyStill think Stein's a qualified candidate, folks?
And one of the greatest lies of the past half century is that the Republican Party's leadership or policies have even the slightest concern with the economic plight of rural Americans.
edited 31st Oct '16 12:34:47 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Here's an actual email
- well, at least based on the address and signature - that's apparently been sent to Stein's supporters by her campaign.
Here's the thing. Regardless of the content of that email, the fact that it's so poorly written would be enough, if I was in Stein's email list, to leave me seriously doubting whether that email is even real. The content has all sorts of problems, obviously, but if your delivery is that bad it barely even matters what you're trying to say. 5/10 would be my grade for that. (In the Finnish system, 5 is the lowest passing score.)
edited 31st Oct '16 12:36:52 PM by BestOf
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.If it was just once and he didn't give a timeframe, I could believe that he really meant something like "65 million immigrants over the course of her term". Which is an exceeding high figure, but not an absolutely insane figure that no one should be able to say out loud and continue to believe after they completed the sentence.
But it seems Trump used the figure at 3 different rallies and at the 3rd one specified that it would be in one week and would "triple the size of the country" which means he understood the magnitudes of the numbers involved perfectly. He just doesn't care that they are completely absurd.
....Honestly if Hillary actually had a way to bring 650 million people into the country in a week, I'd probably consider that a reason to vote for her. The kind of large-scale coordination you would need to achieve such a massive movement of people in such a short length of time without killing half of them in the process is a mark of a legendary leader.
I find it rather amusing that, in effect, Bill Weld is pro-Clinton and Stein is pro-Trump.
Oh and Stein has money invested in Monsanto
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edited 31st Oct '16 12:40:21 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
@ Epic Bleye
Furthermore, a lot of people feel bitter due to the fact that they literally cannot escape poverty because of the enforced insurances they must have, plus the fact that they literally cannot escape living under welfare (this is caused by the fact that if they make too much they lose out on welfare, and how much they make from their job isn't enough to pay all the bills or feed their kids, so they're forced to remain low-income or jobless in order to receive welfare in order to actually survive). And this is despite the fact that they actually want to work for a living and work their way up the chain.
Did this neighborhood become poor in 2008-2010? How exactly are they blaming the insurance mandate? Did your state expand Medicaid? Lots of people want to work for a living. Know what doesn't help? Voting Republican. Who gut programs that help people get out of poverty and end up destroying jobs in these areas.
If you're asking me to understand the plight? I get that. But the solution they're taking is basically voting for a would-be strongman dictator who is flagrantly racist.
Since the democratic party isn't giving them options to get out of the cycle of welfare they're pushed under, the only other option they have is the republican party that is promising change (Even if it's under false pretenses).
I'm sorry...what?
Yet, they still don't agree with all of the party's actions nor do they agree with shit like this happening. They're just uninformed like most people are, republican and democrat.
No. This is no longer going to fly. We had eight years of Bush. We have Trump's campaign. This isn't down to reasonable people disagreeing, this is people continuously blaming minorities for their plights instead of the actual culprits.
If they don't want to be thrown under the bus? Where were these reasonable people in 2008? In 2010? In 2012? Now?
It finally happened.
Yup. He's a secret fascist.
New Survey coming this weekend!@ Falrinn:
You'd probably need every single ship and aircraft on the planet to move anywhere near that number of people in anywhere near a week (even a million would be almost impossible).
Keep Rolling On

Obviously, any attempt to put people in neat little boxes and apply labels to them is going to be an approximation at best, but it is possible to draw reasonable conclusions from observed facts.
edited 31st Oct '16 11:02:48 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"