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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147426: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:05:14 AM

Kyotor's post history has a string of posts in LGBT thread, the last of which is thumped. But the thing about that, at least to me, is that that was six months ago, with only one post between then and now.

But, well, I guess this isn't a hill I'm willing to die on, so I won't say any more.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:07:06 AM by Gilphon

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147427: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:09:39 AM

I think part of the deal is that we haven't had very many true supporters that weren't awful. I've only encountered two Trump supporters, both in this thread. One of them was criminally indifferent to Trump's persecution of minorities, and the other was, well, Kyotor. If anyone else has a good reason to support Trump, they can feel free to express those reasons.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147428: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:13:03 AM

I think you're confusing being "wrong" with being awful. I can't think of any good reasons to support Trump that work under logic, but that doesn't mean people who fall for it are being actively malicious.

Like Gilphon said, a lot of these people have been duped. And like you said, a lot of them are just awful people. You can debate about the ratio of which group has more in it, but you can't just say the first group doesn't exist and that they're all unilaterally terrible people. Well, you can, but you'd be wrong.

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#147429: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:13:26 AM

Please move discussions on whether Kyotor's ban was fair to the "Appeal to the moderation" thread in Wiki Talk if anywhere.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147430: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:16:24 AM

I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm saying they need to actually be in the first group. Meaning they have some reason to be a Trump supporter. Even if it's "I rolled dice". I mean, that would fall under "criminally indifferent", but "apathy" really isn't the most villainous of crimes, yknow?

[up]oops. em. New Topic: Police forces have opened fire on the Native protestors with rubber bullets and bean bags. I'm seeing NONE of this get reported on popular media. If it weren't for facebook, I would never even had heard about this.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:18:21 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#147431: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:22:22 AM

So for the record:

White militia hold themselves up on government property an support an armed insurrection: Acquitted

Native Americans protest their water quiet possibility getting contaminated: Police brutality with a side of "no bail"

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147432: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:25:09 AM

But there's no racism left in the USA, am I right?

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147433: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:25:15 AM

Worst part? Double Jeopardy element of the Bill of Rights protects these known criminals.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#147434: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:28:36 AM

I know! It's bullshit. I had hoped this would get more attention after that gas spill last week but nooooope, let's focus on this trumped up scandal, cuz that's what gets ratings!

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#147435: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:31:06 AM

Bonus points: The reason the pipeline is even going through their land in the first place is because a white neighborhood didn't want it in theirs for fear of poisoning the drinking water [tdown]

edited 31st Oct '16 10:31:41 AM by NoName999

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147436: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:32:28 AM

How is this legal

how are they winning

What

wHY

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#147437: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:40:58 AM

"I Feel Forgotten." A Decade of Struggle in Rural Ohio from The New Yorker

The part of note:

Yet, like many other members of the country’s white working class, Jessie and Tracy feel that the country has abandoned them. When I called him last week, Jessie said that he feels as though the government is “bending over backwards” to help other groups—immigrants, minorities—while ignoring the people hurting in his community. “They worry about making everybody else happy,” he said. “I feel forgotten.” In November, he and Tracy plan to vote for Donald Trump.

It's an issue that the Democrats need to address. And/or the Republicans need to address the needs of everyone else. Either way, we need a party that recognizes the needs of everyone.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#147438: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:41:43 AM

Keith Olbermann's continuing unloading on...everything.

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147439: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:43:13 AM

And we're right back to Hillary/Trump.

God, the irony is so palpable it's delicious.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:45:48 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#147440: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:47:32 AM

We've been over this. If the "disadvantaged white voters" weren't so busy voting for Republicans who promise to stick it to the brown people, but refuse to do even the slightest bit to help the people who are their constituents, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Yes, they have a long list of grievances, many of them with merit. But the idea that cutting welfare for blacks, or deporting Mexicans, or cutting taxes on the rich would help them at all is absurd.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:48:44 AM by Fighteer

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#147441: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:48:50 AM

[up][up][up][up]Sorry, but I'm losing more and more patience for the working white class. I mean, the claim of helping immigrants and minorities falls flat on its face due to the pipeline protest.

And of course, the things that would help the working white class, they actively vote against.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:50:09 AM by NoName999

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147442: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:50:56 AM

To Ulfric Stormcloak, there are two kinds of people in this world: Nords, and the folks beneath them.

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drunk bunny
#147443: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:52:49 AM

maybe

juuuusssttt maayybbee

the republican white working class feeling forgotten and the republicans voting for the pipelines

aren't necessarily the same people since the Republican party is just as diverse as the Democratic party??

shocking i know

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147444: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:53:42 AM

Working class white people are hardly the only lower class people who like to hold others down to feel better, so it's hard for me to react more harshly than with other similar situations. I still hate it, but not more so.

[up]Except no it isn't. That's easily verifiable.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:55:49 AM by LSBK

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147445: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:54:41 AM

That's actually factually untrue. Minority representation in terms of race, religion, and lgbtq is abysmal in the Republican party.

Mainly because the party has gone out of its way to alienate them [lol]

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#147446: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:55:14 AM

Weld just called out Comey. And I will give the Libertarians some respect for calling out Trump. They are more reasonable than the Greens on that front.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politics/bill-weld-comey-reservation-clinton/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#147447: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:58:01 AM

As Fighteer said, a lot of rural white voters have some legitimate grievances. Being poor is being poor. Left behind by globalization is left behind by globalization. But these people keep voting for Republicans and have for a long time, who simply direct their anger at "the Democrats just help brown people and immigrants and leave us behind", with the added dose of "those people" having it better than us hard-working, salt of the earth (white) folks.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#147448: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:58:16 AM

Also it's like this: We've had civil rights activists pointing out that the system is indeed rigged towards the elite. For like fucking decades now.

And the working white class, who would deny that claim in the past, now believe the system is rigged against them because a rich and extremely selfish conman is telling them that so he can win the Presidency.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#147449: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:58:24 AM

i meant diverse as in diverse in opinions and values, not necessarily ethnically

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#147450: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:59:42 AM

Heh, Monty Python reference that didn't suck.


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