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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#147401: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:36:20 AM

Didn't Trump see a black supporter at his rally, and assume he was a protestor? Called him a thug, and had him removed. Surely there is no reason for that.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:36:47 AM by SilentColossus

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#147402: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:37:12 AM

I think that if Trump really did represent the best interests of women and minority groups, their support of him would be much greater.

Regardless, I think it's pretty clear that he's terrible at actually selling the idea that he represents their best interests.

[up][up][up] No one's asking you to apologize for things you haven't done. We just think it's a good idea to acknowledge that racism (specifically, white supremacy) has been a part of American culture for a very long time, and we're still in the process of rooting it out.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:39:46 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147403: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:37:28 AM

Projecting much? We had no idea what race you were until you mentioned it just now.

It's not even your race we object to, it's the refusal to acknowledge the privilege that comes with it, and the abuse of that privilege without caring about the consequences

edited 31st Oct '16 9:39:14 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147404: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:37:33 AM

Yeah, Trump has record-breakingly low support among minority of all kinds- even the ones that are usually willing to vote Republican.

But yeah, I mentioned two reasons why people with a conscious could support him: either they've fallen for a con man, or are misinformed enough to think that Hillary is worse. I don't know which category you fall into, but those are possible reasons.

But, indeed, we might as well let the guy who claims to both have a conscious and support Trump have an input: how can you excuse the dozens of terrible things he's done and said?

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147405: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:40:53 AM

[up]There is a third category. The kind that is unrepentantly racist, xenophobic, homophobic, and hates the loss of privilege that comes with racial, gender, and religious equality. The "deplorable". Let's not dance the Politically Correct dance here.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:41:07 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Kyotor Since: Mar, 2015
#147406: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:41:09 AM

[up] Listen. I can agree that Trump is a clown. He can be embarrassing. But he's not a bigot, and simple mudslinging against "The big man," doesn't accomplish jack. I'd honestly prefer for Pence to just take over the ticket and have a real politician run the platform.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147407: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:41:30 AM

And we have ourselves a new Trump troll ladies and gentlemen. Should we start the countdown until s/he says something ban worthy? I mean, I'd love to think it won't happen this time but the track record for Trump fans and this thread isn't encouraging.

As for this crap about apologizing for being white, if acknowledging that white, straight men have done some serious damage to the world and continue to control much of it feels like an "attack" to you, the problem is not with the people pointing out reality. The problem is with you.

EDIT: Oh lovely. Denying Trump is a bigot. We're well away from reality already, ain't we?

edited 31st Oct '16 9:42:59 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#147408: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:41:47 AM

Trump is a blatant bigot. His real-estate company was directed by him to turn down black applicants. The man is a cancer.

Edit: Yeah, posting history includes anti-LGBT posts in that topic and pro-Trump posts in this one. Bye bye.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:43:47 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147409: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:42:15 AM

[up][up][up]If you want a real politician to run on the platform, then why the hell are you voting for Trump?

edited 31st Oct '16 9:48:41 AM by kkhohoho

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147410: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:43:34 AM

[up][up][up] PENCE IS WORSE

HE LITERALLY PLANS TO USE TAXES TO PAY FOR GAY CONVERSION CAMPS

THEY STILL USE ELECTROSHOCK AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY ABUSIVE TACTICS LIKE GASLIGHTING AND BELITTLING

HE WANTS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THE TORTURE OF AMERICAN CITIZENS

WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG

edited 31st Oct '16 9:43:47 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#147411: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:44:16 AM

Guys, relax, the troll is banned.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:44:23 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147412: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:44:25 AM

You don't find him calling mexicans rapists, or that a judge isn't fit to serve because of his race to be bigoted comments? Or how about the fact that back in the day, he faced a lawsuit over discrimination?

And that not touching his attitude on women.

Edit: Man, I wish you hadn't, Fighteer. He hadn't actually said anything offensive yet.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:48:07 AM by Gilphon

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147413: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:44:59 AM

@kkhohoho Because Clinton has emails or something I've no doubt.

That said, I'll give this guy the benefit of the doubt for a moment—please give us your reality based, non-bigoted reasons for supporting America's newest Mussolini impersonator.

EDIT: And the troll has been forced back under his bridge.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:46:06 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147414: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:46:03 AM

I... I don't think that was a troll. I think that was an honest to god "deplorable". A troll typically is motivated by the joy of arguing, isn't it? They don't necessarily believe what they say?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#147415: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:47:29 AM

Impossible to say for certain, I think.

Shame, I wanted to hear his arguments in more detail. Oh well...

Oh God! Natural light!
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#147416: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:47:57 AM

Well, that was silly.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:48:15 AM by TerminusEst

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#147417: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:53:46 AM

I feel like we shouldn't ban people just because they support Trump. Until they actively engage in trollish behavior or bigotry we should treat them like a person that is misinformed.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#147418: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:56:14 AM

Yeah I think you guys kinda jumped the gun. I agree with you and all, it just doesn't make you look good if you ban people who don't

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147419: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:57:24 AM

Fighteer said they had a history.

edited 31st Oct '16 9:58:14 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147420: Oct 31st 2016 at 9:59:52 AM

Disagreeing with someone and making that disagreement known is one thing. Banning someone because of that disagreement is another. Heck, I honestly think we should just unban him, because other than supporting Trump, he hasn't really done anything wrong. (Of course, some could say that supporting Trump is in and of itself wrong, but I digress.tongue

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#147421: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:00:00 AM

The management here has decided that advocating unqualified support for Trump is equivalent to advocating bigotry and thus grounds for speedy banning. I don't know if that's a good thing for all the reasons already mentioned. but perusal of their post history has often turned up bigoted posts that otherwise went unnoticed.

edited 31st Oct '16 10:00:37 AM by Elle

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147422: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:01:56 AM

I still find the implication of saying "I support Trump" to be a bannable offense troubling. If they've actually said things against site rules that's one thing, but projecting thoughts on to people they haven't necessarily voiced just because they support a candidate you consider terrible doesn't reflect well on this place.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#147423: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:02:44 AM

We're not banning anyone just for saying they support Trump. There's got to be something else there. (In this case, as Fighteer's post indicates, there's anti-LGBT posts elsewhere.)

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#147424: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:03:27 AM

GUYS the dude has a MILLION thumps could we maybe NOT campaign to bring him back

DUDE we've HAD a Trump supporter come here before and NOT get banned or thumped. They walked away a little bowlegged sure, but we didn't ban them. They had most of their arguments shot down, and they likely decided never to come back again, but their support of Trump itself isn't what got them banned.

Could we maybe stop acting like that's what happened?

edited 31st Oct '16 10:04:55 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147425: Oct 31st 2016 at 10:05:07 AM

[up]I wasn't specifically talking about him, and I don't think other people were either.


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