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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#147351: Oct 30th 2016 at 9:04:53 PM

This is literally the first time I've ever seen anyone say anything other than "Hillary" is the correct way to spell that name. I was also assuming the singular L was repeated typos. (Because let's face it, some typos are just incredibly common.)

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#147352: Oct 30th 2016 at 9:41:02 PM

I've been doing research for this paper in Poli Sci, and I came across an article about Clinton's involvement in Haiti. There's also this one from the perspective of someone living in the Carribean. I thought it was pretty interesting but I wanted ti gauge what you guys thought of this

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147353: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:08:47 PM

RE: Sanders being harder to attack than Clinton

Sanders once tried to have Vermont's nuclear waste shipped to unsafe storage in a Hispanic Texas town that didn't want it. I have no problem imagining the Trump attack ad—"I may wanna deport you, but Bernie wants to irradiate you".

Then there's the fact that he actually vacationed in the USSR. Think about all the Communist garbage they threw at Obama. Now imagine similar stuff containing a grain of truth.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#147354: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:55:56 PM

[up][up][up]You've not heard of Hilary Duff?

i'm tired, my friend
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#147355: Oct 31st 2016 at 12:46:00 AM

Admittedly, I do think the US needs competition. They've gotten too egotistical with being the only Superpower since 1992 onwards (Well, technically 1991, but the Cold War ended and the Soviet Union only collapsed and stopped being a Superpower at the very very end of the year at December 26th, so 1991 doesn't really count). However, voting in a psychopathic maniac who would destabilize it is not the answer.

edited 31st Oct '16 1:15:32 AM by Bat178

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#147356: Oct 31st 2016 at 3:34:51 AM

[up][up] Yeah people have this idea that Hillary is a liability but in all actuality that's Sanders. He may have eventually been able to pull of a win, but assuredly would've been a one term President with his insane ideas and refusal to compromise

New Survey coming this weekend!
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#147357: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:12:51 AM

Isn't Sanders' career as a Senator famous for sneaking his own preferred legislation into larger bills but he didn't necessarily approve of the entirety of? He seems more like a "take every inch we can get" kind of guy, rather than refusing to compromise. And of course after he lost the primary he almost immediately turned around and endorsed Clinton.

I mean, it's reasonable to think his ideas are impractical or disagree with him personally, but I don't think its fair to criticize him for being too stubborn.

edited 31st Oct '16 4:14:52 AM by Clarste

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#147358: Oct 31st 2016 at 4:43:33 AM

I think Sanders' made one mistake: he underestimated how much of his base was driven by anger towards the "establishment" rather than a desire for progress. So when he decided to endorse HRC, who is considered by some to be the embodiment of the "establishment", that upset a (hopefully) small percentage of his former supporters.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#147359: Oct 31st 2016 at 5:46:20 AM

I'm not sure that's really a mistake he made. Those extremist voters were likely never going to vote for Clinton in the first place. If anything they'd just have stayed home and complained during the election (which they're effectively still going to do, if they're voting for Stein or whoever).

I mean, it happened, but I don't see how it was either his fault or will have any noticeable effect on the general election. Perhaps him winning the primaries would have been bad though.

edited 31st Oct '16 5:46:41 AM by Clarste

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#147360: Oct 31st 2016 at 5:59:45 AM

Bernie Bros that vote for Stein or Johnson will be likely to go Democrat down-ticket, so at least that will still help.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#147361: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:07:00 AM

Hate the embodiment of the establishment, yet still will vote said establishment down ballot?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#147362: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:08:41 AM

Yes, there be plenty of these. See the congressional primaries in the GOP this year.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#147363: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:12:53 AM

Unless you're really lucky, the third parties generally have little to no presence down-ticket. There are a couple states that have a third party present (New York has one, I believe), but while the Libertarians or Greens might have some random districts where they have a candidate, for most of the country, that's not an option. So people tend to vote which major party the agree with more, even if only marginally.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#147364: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:24:50 AM

A few pages back folks were comparing Trump and Palin, i think the difference there was that while both are uninformed on the issues, Palin understood civics and what the government actually does. Trump's got no idea about anything that isn't real estate or grifting.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#147365: Oct 31st 2016 at 6:42:41 AM

[up][up][up][up]We already established that a good majority of the American voting block aren't smart

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#147366: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:01:39 AM

Incidentally, another thing that I've noticed is that sometimes people refer to the second part of Hillary Rodham Clinton's name as her "middle name". It's not that, though; it's her original last name, before she married Bill Clinton
It's fairly common for married women who take their husband's last name to start using their maiden name as their middle name. When you use "[First Name] [Maiden Name] [Husband's Last Name]" as your signature, then your maiden name effectively is your middle name, even if it's not the middle name your parents gave you.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Shippudentimes Since: Dec, 2012
#147367: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:11:27 AM

This just saddens my heart.

I don't think I can trust your documentaries any more.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#147368: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:26:42 AM

As i said in the women's issues thread, he's really lost the plot this cycle, after steadily losing his touch through the Obama years.

Perhaps he fears irrelevance and is lashing out, or perhaps he genuinely believes the myth of the "Missing White Voter" which suggests that there's a mass of potential GOP voters out there who are just waiting for the right candidate to speak to them, which isn't supported by the math (apathy among eligible voters hurts Democrat-leaning groups the most, namely black, Hispanic, and under-30s).

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#147370: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:39:09 AM

Left wing documentary maker know for occasionally stretching the truth, (especially when it comes to Quote Mining) at least. Hyper critical of the Bush administration, (to a slightly lesser degree, the Clinton administration) the Iraq War, US Healthcare, gun laws, corporations, etc. Had a big run from about 2001-2009 with films like Bowling for Columbine, Sicko, Farenheit 9/11, books like Dude, Where's My Country, etc. Used to be part of the Hillary haters, recently joined her cause and tried to get any Bernie or Bust voters to turn out for Clinton.

edited 31st Oct '16 7:48:40 AM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#147371: Oct 31st 2016 at 7:55:16 AM

It's kind of funny to see someone not know who Michael Moore is. At the turn of the millennium he was absolutely everywhere, especially after 9/11. There were probably more politics-savvy people in the US who knew who Michael Moore was than those who could name the President of France. Now it seems you have to be, well, not-very-young, to know him.

Sic transit...

(I suppose this is just me being "old". I make some of you feel the same by not remembering Ross Perot, whom I've only really found out about recently, and some of you will feel the same when today's kids are 20-something and don't remember who Jon Stewart was.)

edited 31st Oct '16 7:55:54 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#147372: Oct 31st 2016 at 8:01:14 AM

Well, he has been quiet for almost a decade, aside from his film about the 2009 financial crisis, (which bombed) so it's not entirely surprising with all these youngsters around. winktongue

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#147373: Oct 31st 2016 at 8:02:39 AM

There were probably more politics-savvy people in the US who knew who Michael Moore was than those who could name the President of France.
I am sure there still are.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147374: Oct 31st 2016 at 8:03:21 AM

[up]x7 ...Uh-huh. Look Moore, I can understand where you're coming from, I really do, but just sit back and look at yourself for a moment, will you? Some of the stuff you're saying sounds somewhat reasonable, sure, but I don't know if you really understand half of what you're talking about here. For example:

But the kids don’t like her, and not a day goes by that a millennial doesn’t tell me they aren’t voting for her.

Dude. I am a millennial. And I can safely tell you that I am voting for Hilary. In fact, I'd imagine that millennials are among her largest supporters compared to Trumps. They're young, (generally) educated, full of fresh ideas, and tend to strive for progress and moving forward more than Trump and the GOP's conservative antics. Is every millennial going to vote for Hilary? No, of course not. Even those who aren't voting for Trump may still not vote for Clinton, instead going for some supposedly more libertarian third party or maybe even writing down Sanders on a ballet. But I can tell you that many of them will not be voting for Trump.

And here's the other thing:

And because of that, and the anger that so many have toward a broken political system, millions are going to vote for Trump not because they agree with him, not because they like his bigotry or ego, but just because they can. Just because it will upset the apple cart and make mommy and daddy mad.

If someone's voting for Trump, they're probably not going to do it to 'make mommy and daddy mad'; they're going to do it because they want their pound of flesh and they don't care how they get it. Either that or they think Hilary's a crooked SOB, but I have not heard of anyone planning to vote for Trump just to 'upset the apple cart'. This is not the UK. This is not Brexit. There is no guarantee that voters will fuck over their own country just because they're upset or because they think that, no matter what they vote, Trump is still not going to win .You are basing this off of one example that many UK voters ended up regretting, and I'd like to think that we Americans, having already seen what that sort of action will lead to, won't make the same mistake. Then again, what do I know? I'm just a young millennial. Obviously, I don't really know anything, and everything I've said is just uneducated gibberish. So forgive me for using actual common sense.tongue

edited 31st Oct '16 8:04:22 AM by kkhohoho

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#147375: Oct 31st 2016 at 8:12:58 AM

It should be noted that the missing white voters don't appear to have registered to vote in critical states. Registration and early voting demographics look like they favor Clinton.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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