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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#147251: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:11:18 AM

Stein has about 2%. She's not stealing anyone's votes.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147252: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:13:06 AM

@Grafite: There haven't been any reputable polls with data from after that story broke.note  It'll take a few more days before we can say what effect it had.

The closest to what you're talking about is a Washington Post poll that shows Hillary up by only 1 point. The data from that is from Oct 25-28, though- 75% of it is from before the thing, and the data from Oct 28 wouldn't necessarily show any change yet either.

edited 30th Oct '16 10:13:59 AM by Gilphon

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#147253: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:13:29 AM

@ Wanted:

The views of opposing sides are rapidly becoming to where they think the opposition just must be insane and thus easily dismissed.

Or worse. A lot worse.

Keep Rolling On
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#147254: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:16:08 AM

On a more light-hearted note, Screw Attack decided on a perfectly elegant solution for those who want a candidate other than HRC but don't want Trump and don't see anyone qualified.

CAPTAIN AMERICA, PRESIDENT OF THE US FOREVER!

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#147255: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:20:37 AM

Honestly, this whole idea that Hillary is the "lesser" of two "evils" is such bullshit it's nauseating. She's literally the most vetted candidate in American history (not even Obama comes close in this regard), has a proven track record of progressive ideas and accomplishments, was a former Yale Graduate, Lawyer, politically Active First Lady of Arkansas and the USA itself, a Senator, and Secretary of State, who's also a workhorse and policy wonk.

Yet, somehow she's viewed just as evil as a guy who's the epitome of white male privilege and celebrity worship, who has white supremacist viewpoints and knows absolutely NOTHING about anything policy related, and wants to turn the USA into a quasi-authoritarian fascist state?

New Survey coming this weekend!
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#147256: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:23:34 AM

If someone is viewed as corrupt, no matter how qualified they are, some people are just never going to consider voting for them, even if the alternative is Trump.

edited 30th Oct '16 10:24:15 AM by Grafite

Life is unfair...
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147257: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:28:00 AM

Also, if someone is viewed as a woman, no matter how qualified they are, some people are just never going to consider voting for them, even if the alternative is Trump.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#147258: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:28:47 AM

The national polls only count for so much, and the state-by-state polling favors Clinton. Trump needs to win almost every swing state (he can lose one or two, or one big one, and he's done) while holding every red state. Worries about him turning blue states appear to be excessive.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#147259: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:33:41 AM

My mother said she'd likely just leave the presidential ballot unchecked altogether (presumably go in and try to vote on everything else)- doesn't care for Trump obviously, but feels that the Clintons have consistently given the impression that they believe themselves above the law (admittedly, once you hear that it's hard not to think of the hydra that is Frank and Clair Underwood). I'm certainly leaning toward Hillary if only by default- more so after spending time in this thread, but then you've admitted this is pretty Democratic leaning overall, so I'll want to step back and double check myself first.

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#147260: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:34:34 AM

Beyond even Hilary I have two problems with the "lesser of two evils" mentality. One, that it often seems to mean that if no candidate fits your views perfectly one of them is evil, which is ridiculous. And, two, it acts as if there's some actual moral ground to be held in not voting for either and increasing the chance of the greater evil, who by definition you consider worse, a chance at power because of "principles".

edited 30th Oct '16 4:17:22 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#147261: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:36:48 AM

My reasons for voting for Hillary are pretty simple.

-Her platform benefits me and the people I care about

-Trump's platform endangers me and the people I care about

-Trump sickens me on every level a human being can

-Hillary has done so much to help people, while Trump screws them over at every chance

Simple choice.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#147262: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:37:41 AM

Clinton leads by only 1 point in new ABC / Washington Post poll.

I am not normally a religious person but I am in pray mode right now.

edited 30th Oct '16 10:37:58 AM by Memers

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#147263: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:40:59 AM

Man, we were just talking about how you shouldn't put too much stock in any one poll. Here, have a poll taken over roughly the same time period that puts her 5 points ahead. And, just make the point, have one that shows Trump 2 points ahead.

edited 30th Oct '16 10:51:19 AM by Gilphon

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#147264: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:47:01 AM

At this point, Mc Mullin actually has a better shot of winning the Presidency than Gary Johnson. If he wins Utah's electoral votes, then it becomes possible (albeit very, very remote) that neither Trump nor Clinton are able to get enough electoral votes in the remaining states to reach 270. If no candidate receives a majority of the electoral vote, then the election is decided by the House of Representatives. Since the House is Republican controlled, they obviously wouldn't pick Clinton, but given how much Trump has pissed off or horrified other Republcian politicians, Mc Mullin (a long-time, traditional Republican who's only running independently in this election as a protest against Trump) might be their preferred choice.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#147265: Oct 30th 2016 at 10:53:39 AM

If Trump loses Utah, then he won't be sweeping the other swing states that he needs to take to keep Clinton away from 270. A loss in Utah would indicate that Republican support for him outside his base is overstated nationwide. Utah isn't so unique that it would go against the grain entirely, if Trump can't win there he probably can't win in NC, NH, or Nevada.

edited 30th Oct '16 11:28:33 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#147266: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:08:04 AM

@Marq

Yeah, the elegant solution was making a video in which a guy who brags about being guilty of sexual assault gets to physically strike his female opponent. That ends with them both dying a fictitious white guy becoming dictator. That's not elegant, that's revolting.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#147267: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:28:59 AM

I'm not overly fond of Hillary. But I despise Donald Trump.

In addition, I've grown so sick of the Republican party in general, that I think I'm going to vote straight-line Democrat.

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#147268: Oct 30th 2016 at 11:29:58 AM

Also, before we start preaching doom and gloom we should all step back and remember the yuuuge edge that Clinton has on Trump: her ground game and get out the vote effort. Trump's is worse than Romney's and Clinton has taken Obama's network and expanded on it for months.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#147269: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:07:17 PM

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/30/judge-jeanine-pirro-opening-statement-jim-comey-announcement-fbi-hillary-clinton-disgrace

When Fox News conservative judges are defending Hillary Clinton you KNOW you done fucked up

New Survey coming this weekend!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#147270: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:10:42 PM

To quote myself from another thread i follow politics on:

With the political environment being what it is right now, the simple fact you can piss people off bad enough to inspire a bipartisan effort to make your screw ups loud and clear tells you how hot the water Comey is right now really is.

edited 30th Oct '16 12:11:11 PM by sgamer82

Jetyl The Dev Cat from my apartment Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Dev Cat
#147271: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:16:43 PM

so, given that it seems Gary Jonson's 7% was actually taking more points from Trump than Hillary, does anyone else wish he was doing better in the polls? tongue

in serious though, I'm not too worried about this election. I made my vote about a week ago, and since then, my mind's kinda gone into default politics mode: only keeping a light amount of attention, and the feeling pretty assured I know what the pulse of the country will go with. for as much as people underestimate the American peoples stupidity, I think they also tend to underestimate the American people's intelligence.

I'm afraid I can't explain myself, sir. Because I am not myself, you see?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#147272: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:26:15 PM

"[This] is symptomatic of all that is wrong in Washington," she said.

"One of the most revered agencies in our nation's history—now seen as putting its finger on the scales of justice—should not now be front and center," Pirro said, "You know I support Donald Trump and want him to win, but whether it's Hillary Clinton or anyone else, Comey's actions violate not only longstanding Justice Department policy...but the most fundamental rules of fairness and impartiality."

This is a strange statement for me to read.

chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#147273: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:29:44 PM

I posted that article earlier. I still in shock that she defend Hillary because the same thing happened to her. She is not a hypocrite. That's nice.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#147274: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:44:25 PM

Comedy break for this election: QUEEN OFFERS TO RESTORE BRITISH RULE OVER UNITED STATES

LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—In an unexpected televised address on Saturday, Queen Elizabeth II offered to restore British rule over the United States of America.

Addressing the American people from her office in Buckingham Palace, the Queen said that she was making the offer “in recognition of the desperate situation you now find yourselves in.”

“This two-hundred-and-forty-year experiment in self-rule began with the best of intentions, but I think we can all agree that it didn’t end well,” she said.

The Queen urged Americans to write in her name on Election Day, after which the transition to British rule could begin “with a minimum of bother.”

Elizabeth acknowledged that, in the wake of Brexit, Americans might justifiably be alarmed about being governed by the British parliamentary system, but she reassured them, “Parliament would play no role in this deal. This would be an old-school monarchy. Just me, and then, assuming you’d rather not have Charles, we could go straight to William and those children of his who have mesmerized you so.”

Using the closing moments of her speech to tout her credentials, the Queen made it clear that she has never used e-mail and has only had sex with one person “very occasionally.”

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#147275: Oct 30th 2016 at 12:48:49 PM

Honestly, this whole idea that Hillary is the "lesser" of two "evils" is such bullshit it's nauseating. She's literally the most vetted candidate in American history (not even Obama comes close in this regard), has a proven track record of progressive ideas and accomplishments, was a former Yale Graduate, Lawyer, politically Active First Lady of Arkansas and the USA itself, a Senator, and Secretary of State, who's also a workhorse and policy wonk. Yet, somehow she's viewed just as evil as a guy who's the epitome of white male privilege and celebrity worship, who has white supremacist viewpoints and knows absolutely NOTHING about anything policy related, and wants to turn the USA into a quasi-authoritarian fascist state?
Hillary is........passable in that she's leagues more qualified in Trump. But I have no desire to hold her up as anything remotely resembling a paragon. I learned my lesson about that years ago. If she can run things smoothly, great. If she can improve things for most while screwing over the least amount of people in the process, that's a bonus.

edited 30th Oct '16 12:51:21 PM by nervmeister


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