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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Grafite: There haven't been any reputable polls with data from after that story broke.
note It'll take a few more days before we can say what effect it had.
The closest to what you're talking about is a Washington Post poll that shows Hillary up by only 1 point. The data from that is from Oct 25-28, though- 75% of it is from before the thing, and the data from Oct 28 wouldn't necessarily show any change yet either.
edited 30th Oct '16 10:13:59 AM by Gilphon
On a more light-hearted note, Screw Attack decided on a perfectly elegant solution for those who want a candidate other than HRC but don't want Trump and don't see anyone qualified.
CAPTAIN AMERICA, PRESIDENT OF THE US FOREVER!
Honestly, this whole idea that Hillary is the "lesser" of two "evils" is such bullshit it's nauseating. She's literally the most vetted candidate in American history (not even Obama comes close in this regard), has a proven track record of progressive ideas and accomplishments, was a former Yale Graduate, Lawyer, politically Active First Lady of Arkansas and the USA itself, a Senator, and Secretary of State, who's also a workhorse and policy wonk.
Yet, somehow she's viewed just as evil as a guy who's the epitome of white male privilege and celebrity worship, who has white supremacist viewpoints and knows absolutely NOTHING about anything policy related, and wants to turn the USA into a quasi-authoritarian fascist state?
New Survey coming this weekend!If someone is viewed as corrupt, no matter how qualified they are, some people are just never going to consider voting for them, even if the alternative is Trump.
edited 30th Oct '16 10:24:15 AM by Grafite
Life is unfair...The national polls only count for so much, and the state-by-state polling favors Clinton. Trump needs to win almost every swing state (he can lose one or two, or one big one, and he's done) while holding every red state. Worries about him turning blue states appear to be excessive.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.My mother said she'd likely just leave the presidential ballot unchecked altogether (presumably go in and try to vote on everything else)- doesn't care for Trump obviously, but feels that the Clintons have consistently given the impression that they believe themselves above the law (admittedly, once you hear that it's hard not to think of the hydra that is Frank and Clair Underwood). I'm certainly leaning toward Hillary if only by default- more so after spending time in this thread, but then you've admitted this is pretty Democratic leaning overall, so I'll want to step back and double check myself first.
There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.Beyond even Hilary I have two problems with the "lesser of two evils" mentality. One, that it often seems to mean that if no candidate fits your views perfectly one of them is evil, which is ridiculous. And, two, it acts as if there's some actual moral ground to be held in not voting for either and increasing the chance of the greater evil, who by definition you consider worse, a chance at power because of "principles".
edited 30th Oct '16 4:17:22 PM by LSBK
My reasons for voting for Hillary are pretty simple.
-Her platform benefits me and the people I care about
-Trump's platform endangers me and the people I care about
-Trump sickens me on every level a human being can
-Hillary has done so much to help people, while Trump screws them over at every chance
Simple choice.
Clinton leads by only 1 point in new ABC / Washington Post poll.
I am not normally a religious person but I am in pray mode right now.
edited 30th Oct '16 10:37:58 AM by Memers
Man, we were just talking about how you shouldn't put too much stock in any one poll. Here, have a poll taken over roughly the same time period that puts her 5 points ahead.
And, just make the point, have one that shows Trump 2 points ahead.
edited 30th Oct '16 10:51:19 AM by Gilphon
At this point, Mc Mullin actually has a better shot of winning the Presidency than Gary Johnson. If he wins Utah's electoral votes, then it becomes possible (albeit very, very remote) that neither Trump nor Clinton are able to get enough electoral votes in the remaining states to reach 270. If no candidate receives a majority of the electoral vote, then the election is decided by the House of Representatives. Since the House is Republican controlled, they obviously wouldn't pick Clinton, but given how much Trump has pissed off or horrified other Republcian politicians, Mc Mullin (a long-time, traditional Republican who's only running independently in this election as a protest against Trump) might be their preferred choice.
If Trump loses Utah, then he won't be sweeping the other swing states that he needs to take to keep Clinton away from 270. A loss in Utah would indicate that Republican support for him outside his base is overstated nationwide. Utah isn't so unique that it would go against the grain entirely, if Trump can't win there he probably can't win in NC, NH, or Nevada.
edited 30th Oct '16 11:28:33 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Also, before we start preaching doom and gloom we should all step back and remember the yuuuge edge that Clinton has on Trump: her ground game and get out the vote effort. Trump's is worse than Romney's and Clinton has taken Obama's network and expanded on it for months.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.When Fox News conservative judges are defending Hillary Clinton you KNOW you done fucked up
New Survey coming this weekend!To quote myself from another thread i follow politics on:
With the political environment being what it is right now, the simple fact you can piss people off bad enough to inspire a bipartisan effort to make your screw ups loud and clear tells you how hot the water Comey is right now really is.
edited 30th Oct '16 12:11:11 PM by sgamer82
so, given that it seems Gary Jonson's 7% was actually taking more points from Trump than Hillary, does anyone else wish he was doing better in the polls?
in serious though, I'm not too worried about this election. I made my vote about a week ago, and since then, my mind's kinda gone into default politics mode: only keeping a light amount of attention, and the feeling pretty assured I know what the pulse of the country will go with. for as much as people underestimate the American peoples stupidity, I think they also tend to underestimate the American people's intelligence.
I'm afraid I can't explain myself, sir. Because I am not myself, you see?"One of the most revered agencies in our nation's history—now seen as putting its finger on the scales of justice—should not now be front and center," Pirro said, "You know I support Donald Trump and want him to win, but whether it's Hillary Clinton or anyone else, Comey's actions violate not only longstanding Justice Department policy...but the most fundamental rules of fairness and impartiality."
This is a strange statement for me to read.
Comedy break for this election: QUEEN OFFERS TO RESTORE BRITISH RULE OVER UNITED STATES
Addressing the American people from her office in Buckingham Palace, the Queen said that she was making the offer “in recognition of the desperate situation you now find yourselves in.”
“This two-hundred-and-forty-year experiment in self-rule began with the best of intentions, but I think we can all agree that it didn’t end well,” she said.
The Queen urged Americans to write in her name on Election Day, after which the transition to British rule could begin “with a minimum of bother.”
Elizabeth acknowledged that, in the wake of Brexit, Americans might justifiably be alarmed about being governed by the British parliamentary system, but she reassured them, “Parliament would play no role in this deal. This would be an old-school monarchy. Just me, and then, assuming you’d rather not have Charles, we could go straight to William and those children of his who have mesmerized you so.”
Using the closing moments of her speech to tout her credentials, the Queen made it clear that she has never used e-mail and has only had sex with one person “very occasionally.”
edited 30th Oct '16 12:51:21 PM by nervmeister

Stein has about 2%. She's not stealing anyone's votes.