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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#146926: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:28:27 AM

[up]

Treating them fairly would have gotten them a long prison sentence.

...or a gunfight with a SWAT Team/National Guard (which is what they wanted)?

Keep Rolling On
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#146927: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:31:47 AM

[up][up]Then you should have phrased your point differently. And I acknowledged it was based on the assumption that letting them off made sense for the situation.

More to the point, you're still making an assumption here as to why they got off. A reasonable assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.

edited 28th Oct '16 10:32:44 AM by LSBK

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#146928: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:32:32 AM

The investigation doesn't have to find anything, it's mere existence will tip the news cycle back in Trump's favor (which it has been slowly tilting back that way anyway).

It probably won't hand him the election, but it may not be as much of a landslide in favor of Hillary as some have hoped. Not to mention that this will now surely hound her for the rest of her term in office even if she does get elected.

FalconX5 Nerdy glasses guy from Northwest Indiana Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Nerdy glasses guy
#146929: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:33:02 AM

So about this new email thing...

How much should we be concerned about it?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#146930: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:33:55 AM

If they didn't want to give them satisfaction of martydom for an extremely stupid cause they should have had a jury who would have actually treated them fairly. A jury of their peers I assume means people who would be impartial, and look at the fact that they have video footage of them threatening other people, brought guns into it thus escalating the conflict and were willing to exchange fire.

Honestly most of them deserve years long prison sentences.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#146931: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:34:08 AM

[up][up][up]Both of those things were going to happen anyway. The race was always going to get (slightly) tighter, and there were always going to be people who were never going to let go of the e-mails.

[up]That's not really how martyrdom works. Whether you think their cause was stupid or not doesn't change the fact that they already had a lot of people on their side. For the record, it's like I'm saying I agree or particularly like the verdict.

edited 28th Oct '16 10:36:14 AM by LSBK

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#146932: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:36:20 AM

Texas state leaders are asking the state's Supreme Court to bring more specificity to the same-sex marriage ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

AUSTIN — Texas' top three elected officials are asking the state's high court to weigh in on gay marriage, namely by clarifying the relationship between the federal courts and state law following the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark decision ruling last year.

Gov. Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and Attorney General Ken Paxton filed a joint amicus brief with the court Thursday night asking the Texas Supreme Court for more specificity in the law.

"While the U.S. Supreme Court did recognize a right to same-sex marriage, there are a host of issues in that area of the law that remain unresolved," said Attorney General Ken Paxton in a statement Friday.

The brief was filed in connection to the case of Jack Pidgeon and Larry Hicks v. Mayor Sylvester Turner and the City of Houston, which concerns the legality of the city extending benefits to same-sex spouses of city employees prior to the high court ruling.

edited 28th Oct '16 10:40:28 AM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#146933: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:36:42 AM

Did they actually make explicit threats? I was under the impression it was more a case of not-technically-threats-but-sure-sounds-like-one-when-you're-holding-a-gun?

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#146935: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:42:17 AM

@LSBK: The move by the FBI still lent the email scandal (likely unwarranted) credibility and lifespan.

Honestly it kind of seems like it was a move by the FBI to just get Congress off their backs, but I feel it will probably backfire on them.

As for Bundy's people I'm curious as to whether they could not get them for some lesser charges or they simply did not pursue them. I'm also curious as to how sympathetic the jury was to them.

edited 28th Oct '16 10:44:47 AM by Mio

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#146936: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:44:42 AM

Expanding on the article I linked above: it turns out the petitioners are trying to keep same-sex couples with a spouse being a government employee from getting benefits, and remove a law allowing it in Houston because it is against Texas state law.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#146937: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:46:08 AM

@LSBK: Yes, yes it is how Martydom works. They wanted a shootout and expected sympathy if they were hurt or killed in a shootout. Thus, the expected to become martys just like the Religious Right wanted so desperately for Kim Davis to be. I agree killing them probably wouldn't have solved that, but jail...yes indeed.

^Lovely. Desperately hoping we get a Liberal Majority in government soon. Maybe set up federal laws to prevent stuff like that from ever happening in local or state courts. Adding "sexual orientation to anti-discrimination laws would be best.

edited 28th Oct '16 10:50:08 AM by Wildcard

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#146938: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:48:53 AM

[up]They would still be martyrs to those who feel they'd be false imprisoned. Also one of them died. None of this is an argument against sending them to prison, but doing that doesn't somehow not make them martyrs.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146939: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:49:32 AM

The FBI seems to have found new emails, they haven't said if they are particularly relevant/sensitive or will change their conclusion.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146940: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:51:04 AM

Even still, I have to ask, what the fuck was Obama thinking appointing Comey?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#146942: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:52:24 AM

My thought was wondering if this was in response to Wikileaks

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#146943: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:53:17 AM

@LSBK: Yes, but they would have been martyrs to fewer awful people. Plus "no, it is totally awesome that you threaten to kill people! Do it again, consequence free!" as an official ruling is much more disastrous. Now they aren't martyrs, they become heroes.

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#146944: Oct 28th 2016 at 10:55:12 AM

Man, I know if Hillary could clean house at the FBI she'd do it in a goddamn heartbeat.

Fuck whatever "integrity" he may or may not have had, but Comey is an asshole for doing this RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146945: Oct 28th 2016 at 11:15:06 AM

@samsteinhp Pete Williams has sources saying not about Clinton world w/holding emails. Not about Podesta emails. Not emails from Clinton.

Wait...what?

o.O

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#146946: Oct 28th 2016 at 11:16:59 AM

[up] ...I'm sorry, what?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#146948: Oct 28th 2016 at 11:21:23 AM

Tactical Fox, what about Comey?

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146949: Oct 28th 2016 at 11:21:31 AM

‏@samsteinhp Pete Williams sources say in course of a separate investigation, FBI came across "a device." found emails there. but emails NOT from HRC

Seriously? Fuck this.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#146950: Oct 28th 2016 at 11:23:25 AM

...What does this mean?

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