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Lost in Space
#146551: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:01:16 AM

[up] Trump's level of danger eclipses Stein's, even given the latter's blatantly stupid positions. I would not feel comfortable voting for her, but her nomination would reflect such an unprecedented level of insanity on the Democrats' part that the party would no longer be recognizable.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#146552: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:07:36 AM

Stein is only somewhat misinformed. Trump is openly hateful and egotistic, and is leading others to be the same way.

Stein isn't going to drive up violence and fear.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#146553: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:07:37 AM

[up][up] I'd say the same is true of Trump and the current GOP, but I think everyone here already assumed they were hypocritical racist scumbags and Trump is just their logical extreme.

On a social level, I think the worst we have from Democrats is a few instances of Political Correctness Gone Mad (there's a reason it's a Republican buzzword)

edited 26th Oct '16 10:07:55 AM by sgamer82

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#146554: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:07:42 AM

The question proposed wasn't "who would you vote for?", it was "who would you vote for if you were a single-issue wonk and also assumed that Bush would nominate a Supreme Court Justice who would repeal gay marriage or whatever your wonk is?"

The argument being that some Trump voters care about literally nothing but abortion rights and removing them, and will do literally anything that has even the slightest chance of making that happen.

edited 26th Oct '16 10:08:00 AM by Clarste

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#146555: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:08:27 AM

[up][up]Here's the thing.

TRUMP ISN'T HYPOTHETICAL. He's the ACTUAL Republican ticket

edited 26th Oct '16 10:08:54 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#146556: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:09:42 AM

And rather than renounce him, too many Republican are endorsing him and continuing to do so out of either sincere agreement or threats to their own positions if they break ranks

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#146557: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:16:20 AM

Roe V Wade has been around long enough that most people have acclimated to it. They aren't fighting to repeal it like they have been, or in the same numbers. What terrifies me is the potential to reverse Obergefell v. Hodges, which happened only last year, and over which people like Pence, Cruz, and Rubio can summon up droves of mouth-frothing bigots with little to no effort whatsoever.

All they have to do is say the word Bible and suddenly armies of minions, some of them ready to kill. I wish I was exaggerating.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#146558: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:25:49 AM

[up] I'm not familiar with Obergefell v. Hodges. Why is that one a big deal?

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#146559: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:26:54 AM

[up]Equal marriage rights for all couples of any sexual orientations.

edited 26th Oct '16 10:27:29 AM by Euodiachloris

I-Teleported-Bread Since: Jul, 2016
#146560: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:29:38 AM

so how many states are there left for the candidates to battle over?

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#146561: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:40:43 AM

Same as there always are, it's just that which states are in play have shifted. Arizona is leaning to Clinton, Texas is threatened, Utah is starting to say "a plague o'both your houses!" and is nominating an indie Republican.

edited 26th Oct '16 10:41:55 AM by Ramidel

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#146562: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:46:09 AM

Technically all of them, since polls only close on Nov 8th. In practice, 538 (as of this post) has the following states where both candidates have at least 25% chance of winning according to polls-only: AZ, FL, GA, IA, ME (District 2 only), NE (District 2 only), NV, NC, OH. (AK barely misses the cut w/Clinton at 24.2%, though that may be more lack of polling inducing a wider uncertainty for 538; UT has Trump at 72.2% but they give a bigger chance at McMullin winning (19.8%) than Clinton (7.9%)).

NYT's Upshot might be different, but I'm free-articled out.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#146563: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:48:01 AM

Ohio is actually still a battleground, because it isn't experiencing demographic shifts the same as other states (it's trending whiter than most), so ironically it may become a tougher fight for Clinton than North Carolina, which for the presidency, at least, seems to be in the bag.

Probably looking at Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona as the most questionable states this time around. Pollsters will tell you Nevada's a battleground, but Nevada's just hard to poll accurately and always breaks blue further than expected (though you think the models would account for that by now).

And remember: Trump needs *everything* from the classic list of Battleground states to win, a sweep of Colorado, Virginia, New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, and Florida. North Carolina is an absolute must-win because it leans further right than those 6 and if it goes, he's unlikely to get any of them (except whitening Ohio, perhaps, which also has the benefit of a popular Republican governor and an unpopular Democratic Senate candidate).

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#146564: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:54:28 AM

Trump and Biden wouldn't mind fighting each other behind a school gym.

To quote Jack Tapper: "I'm trying to envision something more fitting than this election actually ending in a Biden-Trump fist fight and i cannot"

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146565: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:02:22 AM

Somehow, this doesn't seem all that surprising.

It's kind of irritating that the GOP flings accusations of voter fraud and election rigging at the Democratic Party when they are actually guilty of voter suppression and intimidation.

Disgusted, but not surprised
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#146566: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:04:12 AM

Ohp, my mistake - I'm not FAOuted. They pretty much the same states 538 has as "competitive" (which seems to be at least 15% chance for both candidates), plus UT (more that Trump has 61% and McMullin has 34%) and SC (barely - 81% for Trump). I note that the 24 states they have as "Likely Democratic" already add to 272 Electoral Votes.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146567: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:08:10 AM

https://twitter.com/realHarryEnten/status/791324105110802432

So y'all still doubting my House predictions?

New Survey coming this weekend!
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Lost in Space
#146569: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:09:55 AM

We aren't willing to step on our willies by claiming victory before the eggs have come home to roost. (mixed metaphors, whee!) That said, if the House does flip Dem, it'll be a yuuge victory.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#146571: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:13:33 AM

It's kind of hard not to when you're going on about blowouts as if things are already over.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146572: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:13:36 AM

I just hope the dirty tricks the GOP pulls this time (and they are pulling dirty tricks) aren't a gamechanger.

edited 26th Oct '16 11:13:44 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#146573: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:17:18 AM

It is incredibly hard not to believe that most Republicans are sociopaths.

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Lost in Space
#146574: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:22:48 AM

Well, "most" is a loaded word. I would say that the vast majority do not fit the clinical definition of the version of sociopathy most often seen in fiction: that being regarding others as objects for one's own use and/or manipulation rather than people with their own independent right to exist and act. And a very large number, relatively speaking, have either denounced Trump or overtly sided with Clinton in this election cycle. So we have to be fair.

Now, Trump is probably sociopathic. I'd imagine that a number of people in leadership positions in the GOP are as well, although one must be cautious about trying to armchair diagnose real people. The primary sins of most of the voters who support him are ignorance, whether willful or otherwise, and tribalism. Both of those are repeated on the left, albeit not in quite the same proportion.

All that said, for the die-hard racists and misogynists and know-nothings and whatnot... they can go suck on a fat one for all I am willing to offer them sympathy. The key fact here is that they must be stopped from claiming political power, and that trumps (if you will excuse me) any desire I might have to try to reach them.

edited 26th Oct '16 11:24:15 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146575: Oct 26th 2016 at 11:24:03 AM

The Trump campaign seems to be a magnet for particularly slimy people.

Speaking of slimeballs, O'Keefe released part 4 of Project Veritas. Let's just say it won't convince anyone who didn't already hate HRC.

edited 26th Oct '16 11:25:20 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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