Nov 2023 Mod notice:
There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.
If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations
and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines
before posting here.
Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.
If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules
when posting here.
In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Damn! I guess that picture of the Trump and his Trump Tower taco won them over after all.
edited 25th Oct '16 9:34:49 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Also from Texas, more "rigged ballots" are just examples of people screwing up their vote
.
edited 26th Oct '16 1:01:05 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised'Not Wanted': Black Applicants Rejected for Trump Housing Speak Out
"I was black," Fortt said recently. "I was not wanted."
It wasn't just a gut feeling. After Fortt was turned away from the Queens apartment building twice, the New York City Human Rights Commission sent a white person to the property to apply for an apartment — and the tester was offered the apartment, according to court papers.
The commission took on Fortt's case, and she says a young Donald Trump appeared with a lawyer at a hearing on behalf of the family real estate company, Trump Management.
Her case also became part of a federal racial discrimination lawsuit filed by the Justice Department against Donald and Fred Trump that was resolved with a consent decree two years later in which they agreed to terms aimed at preventing discrimination.
That lawsuit is the basis of a new video from Hillary Clinton's campaign, released Tuesday. The video, which features a tearful interview with a retired nurse who says she was denied an apartment, notes that while the racial discrimination allegations began when Fred Trump was running the company, they persisted after his son became president of the firm.
Trump denies the company discriminated against blacks.
"There is absolutely no merit to the allegations," his spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, said in an email to NBC News. "This suit was brought as part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies, and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of liability and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever."
Clinton has brought up the discrimination case before, saying during a debate last month that Trump started his real-estate career by getting sued for refusing housing to blacks. In response, Trump portrayed the litigation as no big deal and said dispensing with the suit without admitting wrongdoing "was very easy to do."
Court documents, however, show that putting the allegations behind him was tougher than the candidate suggests.
Three years after the consent decree, the Justice Department went back to court to say the Trumps were not complying with the settlement. The claim was not resolved before the decree expired.
Then, in 1982, Trump Management and eight other New York City landlords were hit with a class-action discrimination lawsuit by a housing advocacy group. Two years later, they settled by agreeing to rent one of every four vacant apartments in some neighborhoods to blacks, according to a New York Times account from the time.
The breadth of the allegations doesn't surprise Maxine Brown, who applied for an apartment in a Queens building owned by Fred Trump in 1963.
"I was turned away because of my color," said Brown, 86, whose account was first reported by the New York Times in August.
Brown's application was taken by rental agent Stanley Leibowitz, who said there's no doubt Brown didn't get the apartment because she's black — and no doubt that Donald Trump, then just 17, knew that.
"Mr. Trump and his son Donald came into the office. I asked what I should do with this application because she's calling constantly and his response to me was, 'You know I don't rent to the N-word. Put it in a drawer and forget about it,'" Leibowitz, 89, told NBC News.
"Donald Trump was right alongside his father when I was instructed to do that."
Brown also filed a complaint with the Human Rights Commission and was offered an apartment after the hearing; she still lives there. Fortt also took an apartment in a Trump building as a settlement.
"I wasn't interested in suing Trump. I wasn't interested in getting money. What I wanted was a place to live," she said.
Fortt, now 72, has kept the papers from her case for more than 40 years but said she would not have spoken up about her experience if Donald Trump hadn't brushed off the allegations that resurfaced during his presidential run.
"I think it's important that history not be erased," she said.
What if Republicans only retained the usual less government oversight, pro-guns, and highly regulated immigration stances, and got rid of the "pro-family values" and "religious freedom" stances?
In other words, what if the outdated "moral" imperatives of the GOP got amputated?
edited 26th Oct '16 3:13:40 AM by nervmeister
again, a good portion of their base are one issue voters. They try to amputate them they'll even further render themselves irrelevant because the Democrats sure as fuck don't want them anywhere near their diverse coalition. Where the fuck are are they going to go? Third party?
The party is dead and going of the way of the Whigs. They buried themselves the moment they got tied to the religious right in the 80s and now those chickens are coming home to roost.
New Survey coming this weekend!Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton 'personally ordered' Donald Duck to stalk me
Basically: a guy in a Donald Duck suit is following Donald Dumb with a "release your tax returns" banner.
![]()
![]()
![]()
edited 26th Oct '16 4:17:04 AM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVThe Religious Right itself wasn't even a factor until the mid-fifties, when wealthy Republican-leaning folks began intentionally backing extreme right-wing mass-media preachers who adopted visibly pro-wealth, Calvinist doctrine. Abortion as a litmus test for political affiliation simply did not exist before then. Just like the crazy racist right, the evangelical religious nutballs are also a manufactured political bloc that's come back to bite Republicans in their asses.
"Hey, guys, we're losing the cultural war to these smarty-pants liberals telling everyone how evil we are for keeping all the money."
"I know! Let's recruit religious folks to the Republicans by preaching about how wealth is good and liberalism is immoral."
"So, you're going to create a horde of single-issue voters who will drag the party down into an abyss of stupid. That's a terrible i..."
"That's a GREAT IDEA AND WE SHOULD TOTALLY DO IT."
edited 26th Oct '16 4:22:21 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'm coming to realize more and more that there are two types of Trump supporters: the ones who have been well documented in the media, the uneducated and/or angry at the establishment types. But then there is the other kind, who despises the man, even as much as Hil, but still vote for him not out of party loyalty, but out of fear of what Hil will do with the SC make up, mostly because they have no faith in the House to do its job to act as a check on her and consider the Senate a done deal in favor of Dems.
Jill Stein also isn't Xenophobic, racist, and insane. She has no ties to hate groups, and no backing from fanatically religious anti-LGBT nuts. I'd vote for her over Trump any day. Jeb Bush I don't know enough about to care.
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youAbortion as a litmus test basically didn't exist until Roe. Before that many major protestant faith groups were pro choice (in the strictest sense that they didn't think it was the government's job to stop or punish women from doing so). They borrowed the anti-abortion zeal from the Catholics and never returned it.
For starters, the Democrats wouldn't roll over for Stein like the Republicans are currently rolling over for Trump. Not to mention, the GOP will still most likely control the House.
But then again, hypotheticals are pointless because this situation will never happen.
I've mentioned previously that the SC is pretty much the only legitimate reason I can see to vote trump if your right leaning and the inverse is probably true, control of the SC will have incredible effects for decades; bad presidents get four years.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?In this hypothetical Jill Stein vs. Jeb Bush race, I think it wouldn't even be a contest. Stein would turn off so many moderate voters that Bush would walk all over the election. I would probably vote for Stein, but with my nose pinched to avoid the anti-science stink of her base. But to even imagine such a thing is to be savagely, unforgivably ignorant of our political demographics.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I've heard that Latinos are voting in record numbers this year.
Do not obey in advance.