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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#146501: Oct 25th 2016 at 9:25:28 PM

I've heard that Latinos are voting in record numbers this year.

Do not obey in advance.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#146502: Oct 25th 2016 at 9:31:19 PM

Well, I imagine they have more of a stake in this election than usual.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146503: Oct 25th 2016 at 9:31:53 PM

Damn! I guess that picture of the Trump and his Trump Tower taco won them over after all.

edited 25th Oct '16 9:34:49 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#146504: Oct 25th 2016 at 9:40:55 PM

re: Nixon Library debate, I'm very curious to hear how that went.

Especially because, as it so happens, I'm actually doing an internship there (although I wasn't there tonight).

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#146505: Oct 25th 2016 at 10:48:51 PM

[up]x5 - The article seems to indicate the glitch was affecting a local race, not the Presidential one?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#146507: Oct 26th 2016 at 2:27:12 AM

'Not Wanted': Black Applicants Rejected for Trump Housing Speak Out

In 1973, New York City school teacher Annette Gandy Fortt was looking for a decent place to live. A listing for an apartment in a building owned by Donald Trump's father, Fred, caught her eye — but she says the super told her there were no units available.

"I was black," Fortt said recently. "I was not wanted."

It wasn't just a gut feeling. After Fortt was turned away from the Queens apartment building twice, the New York City Human Rights Commission sent a white person to the property to apply for an apartment — and the tester was offered the apartment, according to court papers.

The commission took on Fortt's case, and she says a young Donald Trump appeared with a lawyer at a hearing on behalf of the family real estate company, Trump Management.

Her case also became part of a federal racial discrimination lawsuit filed by the Justice Department against Donald and Fred Trump that was resolved with a consent decree two years later in which they agreed to terms aimed at preventing discrimination.

That lawsuit is the basis of a new video from Hillary Clinton's campaign, released Tuesday. The video, which features a tearful interview with a retired nurse who says she was denied an apartment, notes that while the racial discrimination allegations began when Fred Trump was running the company, they persisted after his son became president of the firm.

Trump denies the company discriminated against blacks.

"There is absolutely no merit to the allegations," his spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, said in an email to NBC News. "This suit was brought as part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies, and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of liability and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever."

Clinton has brought up the discrimination case before, saying during a debate last month that Trump started his real-estate career by getting sued for refusing housing to blacks. In response, Trump portrayed the litigation as no big deal and said dispensing with the suit without admitting wrongdoing "was very easy to do."

Court documents, however, show that putting the allegations behind him was tougher than the candidate suggests.

Three years after the consent decree, the Justice Department went back to court to say the Trumps were not complying with the settlement. The claim was not resolved before the decree expired.

Then, in 1982, Trump Management and eight other New York City landlords were hit with a class-action discrimination lawsuit by a housing advocacy group. Two years later, they settled by agreeing to rent one of every four vacant apartments in some neighborhoods to blacks, according to a New York Times account from the time.

The breadth of the allegations doesn't surprise Maxine Brown, who applied for an apartment in a Queens building owned by Fred Trump in 1963.

"I was turned away because of my color," said Brown, 86, whose account was first reported by the New York Times in August.

Brown's application was taken by rental agent Stanley Leibowitz, who said there's no doubt Brown didn't get the apartment because she's black — and no doubt that Donald Trump, then just 17, knew that.

"Mr. Trump and his son Donald came into the office. I asked what I should do with this application because she's calling constantly and his response to me was, 'You know I don't rent to the N-word. Put it in a drawer and forget about it,'" Leibowitz, 89, told NBC News.

"Donald Trump was right alongside his father when I was instructed to do that."

Brown also filed a complaint with the Human Rights Commission and was offered an apartment after the hearing; she still lives there. Fortt also took an apartment in a Trump building as a settlement.

"I wasn't interested in suing Trump. I wasn't interested in getting money. What I wanted was a place to live," she said.

Fortt, now 72, has kept the papers from her case for more than 40 years but said she would not have spoken up about her experience if Donald Trump hadn't brushed off the allegations that resurfaced during his presidential run.

"I think it's important that history not be erased," she said.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146508: Oct 26th 2016 at 2:58:48 AM

[up] While some might argue that Fred Sr's actions shouldn't be taken into consideration when judging Donald, one also has to remember that Donald did the exact same things Fred did after he took control of the properties. He was even sued for it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#146509: Oct 26th 2016 at 3:10:37 AM

What if Republicans only retained the usual less government oversight, pro-guns, and highly regulated immigration stances, and got rid of the "pro-family values" and "religious freedom" stances?

In other words, what if the outdated "moral" imperatives of the GOP got amputated?

edited 26th Oct '16 3:13:40 AM by nervmeister

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146510: Oct 26th 2016 at 3:35:47 AM

[up] again, a good portion of their base are one issue voters. They try to amputate them they'll even further render themselves irrelevant because the Democrats sure as fuck don't want them anywhere near their diverse coalition. Where the fuck are are they going to go? Third party?

The party is dead and going of the way of the Whigs. They buried themselves the moment they got tied to the religious right in the 80s and now those chickens are coming home to roost.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146511: Oct 26th 2016 at 3:46:09 AM

[up] Goldwater, for all his (many) faults, realized that allying with the religious right was a bad idea.

Disgusted, but not surprised
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#146512: Oct 26th 2016 at 4:15:01 AM

Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton 'personally ordered' Donald Duck to stalk me

Basically: a guy in a Donald Duck suit is following Donald Dumb with a "release your tax returns" banner.

[lol][lol][lol][lol]

edited 26th Oct '16 4:17:04 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
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Lost in Space
#146513: Oct 26th 2016 at 4:15:36 AM

The Religious Right itself wasn't even a factor until the mid-fifties, when wealthy Republican-leaning folks began intentionally backing extreme right-wing mass-media preachers who adopted visibly pro-wealth, Calvinist doctrine. Abortion as a litmus test for political affiliation simply did not exist before then. Just like the crazy racist right, the evangelical religious nutballs are also a manufactured political bloc that's come back to bite Republicans in their asses.

"Hey, guys, we're losing the cultural war to these smarty-pants liberals telling everyone how evil we are for keeping all the money."

"I know! Let's recruit religious folks to the Republicans by preaching about how wealth is good and liberalism is immoral."

"So, you're going to create a horde of single-issue voters who will drag the party down into an abyss of stupid. That's a terrible i..."

"That's a GREAT IDEA AND WE SHOULD TOTALLY DO IT."

edited 26th Oct '16 4:22:21 AM by Fighteer

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#146514: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:01:35 AM

I'm coming to realize more and more that there are two types of Trump supporters: the ones who have been well documented in the media, the uneducated and/or angry at the establishment types. But then there is the other kind, who despises the man, even as much as Hil, but still vote for him not out of party loyalty, but out of fear of what Hil will do with the SC make up, mostly because they have no faith in the House to do its job to act as a check on her and consider the Senate a done deal in favor of Dems.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#146515: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:19:02 AM

So stupid and pussies, then?

No wonder Trump was able to the GOP. tongue

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#146516: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:31:42 AM

[up] You guys are always talking about how important the Supreme Court is. I'm sure if Jill Stein was the nominee and the Republicans picked Jeb Bush you'd vote Stein just to make sure she appointed a liberal judge who wouldn't overturn Roe v Wade.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#146517: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:32:11 AM

In line to see Bill Clinton speak.

Hell of a line though. Hope I can get it.

Oh really when?
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#146518: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:35:50 AM

@Pumkin-face-lamp You do this a lot. Drop into the thread, shoot off some incredible non-sequitur, and then never engage the response. Why is this

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146519: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:37:29 AM

[up][up][up] of course. But I wouldn't be happy about that vote considering how batshit crazy and stupid Jill Stein is, not to mention her pro-Russian views and shady ties to the Russian media.

edited 26th Oct '16 6:37:43 AM by TacticalFox88

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The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#146520: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:39:53 AM

Jill Stein also isn't Xenophobic, racist, and insane. She has no ties to hate groups, and no backing from fanatically religious anti-LGBT nuts. I'd vote for her over Trump any day. Jeb Bush I don't know enough about to care.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#146521: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:42:36 AM

Abortion as a litmus test basically didn't exist until Roe. Before that many major protestant faith groups were pro choice (in the strictest sense that they didn't think it was the government's job to stop or punish women from doing so). They borrowed the anti-abortion zeal from the Catholics and never returned it.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146522: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:53:10 AM

[up][up]I'd contest Stein not being insane (she's good at faking it to pander, at the very least). And her running made is definitely off his rocker.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#146523: Oct 26th 2016 at 6:55:40 AM

You guys are always talking about how important the Supreme Court is. I'm sure if Jill Stein was the nominee and the Republicans picked Jeb Bush you'd vote Stein just to make sure she appointed a liberal judge who wouldn't overturn Roe v Wade.

For starters, the Democrats wouldn't roll over for Stein like the Republicans are currently rolling over for Trump. Not to mention, the GOP will still most likely control the House.

But then again, hypotheticals are pointless because this situation will never happen.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#146524: Oct 26th 2016 at 7:06:38 AM

I've mentioned previously that the SC is pretty much the only legitimate reason I can see to vote trump if your right leaning and the inverse is probably true, control of the SC will have incredible effects for decades; bad presidents get four years.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
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Lost in Space
#146525: Oct 26th 2016 at 7:10:02 AM

In this hypothetical Jill Stein vs. Jeb Bush race, I think it wouldn't even be a contest. Stein would turn off so many moderate voters that Bush would walk all over the election. I would probably vote for Stein, but with my nose pinched to avoid the anti-science stink of her base. But to even imagine such a thing is to be savagely, unforgivably ignorant of our political demographics.

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