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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I don't think the dems are being particularly high handed about anything. But the problem is no matter how empathetic anyone is some jobs are just going to be lost to time.
Also, proof that these solar panels are going to be manufactured in China? Also also, I'm going to point out that the installation and maintainence of these solar panels can't be outsourced to China and thus creates jobs right here in America. These job opportunities will be around for a while, as well as the research and development of such, unlike jobs around coal and oil. The oil industry will probably last a good bit longer than coal, though.
edited 24th Oct '16 7:54:06 PM by AceofSpades
As I said previously, I live in a city that was built around a single resource. The only difference between us and coal country is what we pulled outta the ground and yet if we shut down all the mines today I don't see it being a city ruining event. Why? We diversified. Post-secondary education, government work, telemarketing, whatever wasn't mining related and could earn a buck we went in for and it worked. The days of coal mining may be over but we live in a global world, there's always a buck to be made in something.
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Maybe convey a less smug and arrogant tone when talking about destroying people's livelihoods. But that is just tonal. Like I said their policies may be correct, indeed they may very well save the world. But it still disgust me on a level. This is a more extreme example, but you can say believe the Atomic bomb was necessary to end World War 2, but still be disgusted with the violence, and maybe by the way the decision is cavalierly discussed in some circles. It was necessary, but it still felt wrong. Again this is an extreme example.
Once again, environmental policies aren't destroying livelihoods. Those livelihoods were already doomed before environmental issues even enter the picture.
As long as we're talking about coal, anyway. It's possible that Oil & Gas could have their futures cut short by environmental policies. But really, in the long term that amounts to the same thing as coal.
That's true, but again, it's not the blue collar's fault that their districts couldn't adapt. So blaming them for being attached to their jobs or missing them is missing the point. They have to choose between one candidate who ignores them altogether, and one who gives them scraps of hope. Even if, when you look at the big picture, it is meaningless, Trump offers more hope to them than Clinton.
Those people might actually be among the few who would vote Trump out of hope instead of hate /fear. During the entire piece I watched, I never saw them blaming China or whatever other country over their jobs - they blamed the administrations that promoted new energy sources. If it was only about automatization of the coal industry, then there might have been layoffs, but the people remaining would feel safe, because their industry would have a future.
Blaming common people for some bad decisions made by county authorities, or governors, or senators, over the last decades...it does not feel right. It is pretty much similar to workers getting fired because their company lost money, or moved its activities somewhere else to save some - they have next to nothing to do with that, they are just left there trying to find a new income source. You just can't go to this people and say "But Syria! But Russia! Abortion! Women's rights!".
They can blame the administration all they like but it doesn't change the fact that natural gas is at fault and not green energy. Gas is to blame for the death of coal and gas isn't a new energy.
Yes they need a solution and they need help, but they're being wilfully ignorant when they blame new energy sources for the death of coal.
In the end the left would be more willing to help them if they stopped blaming the left for shit that the left never did.
edited 24th Oct '16 8:33:42 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranBut I wish some governments were above cherry-picking measures that only please their base, and also tried to improve the life of those who don't vote for them.
Saying "we don't help you because you don't like us", how to put it...it's not the right mindset for someone who is in charge of a country IMO.
edited 24th Oct '16 8:45:37 PM by Julep
Nothing stops this train.
New Survey coming this weekend!Except it's the people in power job to help, even if the people in question might not want it. How is another story, but you don't just give up on them because they do stupid shit. Otherwise no society would survive.
Like, I'm not trying to argue that coal isn't a dead/dying industry, or that it should be saved, but that just seems pretty basic.
There is stuff to do, it's just stuff that congress would have to do, you know, the congress run by the people these guys vote for.
You'd need a stimulus and national job retraining scheme, that's not gonna pass a Republican congress.
So yeah, even if we were willing to help them we can't, because they've voted in a bunch of guys who won't let us.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI'm not exactly well-read on basic income or anything but just from the premise it's going to require an elephantine change in our cultural values since so much of our society is based around the idea of a person needing to hold a job to be a valuable member of society.
The reality that eventually there won't be enough jobs for everyone is kind of a Mind Screw in and of itself to a lot of people.
I imagine the transition period for that is also going to be pretty damn bumpy.
edited 24th Oct '16 9:10:42 PM by Draghinazzo
Then you have people screaming "dictator" and all that garbage.
Concerning coal miners siding with Trump — I've already mentioned it's a dumb thing to do, since Trump supports the very industry that is screwing them over: natural gas. To say nothing of his long, long history of screwing over workers. They are blaming the wrong people and the wrong things for their problems. If apathy is the Democratic Party voter base's weakness, misblaming is the Republican Party voter base's weakness.
Reminds me of an article about people in a poor rural community who had insufficient health coverage. They're supporting Trump hoping that "trickle-down" might give them enough money to save themselves, though even they doubt it. They haven't even considered voting for HRC even though her platform includes additional health care funding that could potentially save their lives.
edited 24th Oct '16 9:21:17 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised

edited 24th Oct '16 7:50:00 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!