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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#146176: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:03:14 AM

The Russians are aligned with the Turks?

Since when?

Oh really when?
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#146177: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:13:17 AM

Wasn't it recent that Turkey shot down and killed a Russian pilot?

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#146178: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:16:20 AM

That was before the failed coup, soon after which Erdogan made a visit to Moscow that is strongly implied to have smoothed over most if not all of the crinkles in their relationship regarding the Syrian Civil War.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#146179: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:18:40 AM

Well then we need to do something about that immediately. Any sort of Russian/Turkish alliance runs completely against everything NATO stands for.

The whole reason Turkey is in there is be a buffer zone and prevent the Russians from having direct land access to the middle east. It's why we tolerate Erdogan openly funding and arming ISIS.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:19:45 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#146180: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:22:00 AM

[up] Turkey already had to warned off buying Chinese Surface-to-Air missiles before the attempted coup. smile Indeed, some of their domestic rocketry is derived from Chinese/Soviet designs.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:22:33 AM by Greenmantle

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146181: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:24:12 AM

@Silas: And you don't think the Russians would abandon the Kurds just as quickly as the United States will? I imagine they'd prefer a single state under Russian domination rather than a handful that stand with them and another handful that stand with the United States.

@Garcon: What do you propose? Invading Turkey isn't an option, and I don't think sanctions will actually do all that much other than push Turkey further toward's Russia's camp.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:26:24 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#146182: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:34:25 AM

Sanders is prepared to be a liberal thorn in Clinton’s side.

Some people here might be irritated by Sanders saying this sort of thing, but I'm in favor of it. I do believe that Clinton will do good for America, but I think she needs to be held accountable as well.

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#146183: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:35:46 AM

I have no objection to Sanders playing as a Morality Chain to Clinton. I just don't want him sabotaging pragmatic solutions if the alternative is getting nothing done because he causes too many Senators to revolt.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:36:29 AM by Fighteer

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#146184: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:36:29 AM

No problems here. Why end the slow shift leftwards at the primaries?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#146185: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:36:54 AM

Especially when Clinton is making overtures to Republicans on cooperation post election.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146186: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:37:22 AM

[up][up][up][up]Your link needs to be run through a URL shortener. I'm getting a runtime error, and that site doesn't play nice with this forum.

But Sanders holding Clinton accountable sounds good, if he does it after the election and (provided Clinton keeps/tries to keep her core promises) doesn't undermine the Dems for 2018 and 2020.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:38:34 AM by Rationalinsanity

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146187: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:37:46 AM

One of the reasons I expect Clinton wants a major war (North Korea or Iran) is because there's a growing and alarming sentiment in the more hawkish parts of the beltway bubble that a major show of force is required to keep the American sphere of influence in line.

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#146188: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:39:44 AM

That's a rather gross assumption based on basically nothing, Capsase. Quite frankly, I can't imagine that many in government right now seriously want a war because the public is fucking tired of all the stuff in the Middle East.

Plus it flies in the face of the recent efforts to make peace with Iran and the fact that North Korea is highly ineffectual and relies on China.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:40:27 AM by AceofSpades

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#146189: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:39:44 AM

[up][up][up] Damn it, sorry - that keeps happening with me. How can I do that?

edited 24th Oct '16 11:39:54 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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#146190: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:39:45 AM

[up][up][up]What?

edited 24th Oct '16 11:40:02 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#146191: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:39:58 AM

And doing that instead of helping NATO's eastern flank hold steady in the age of hybrid warfare is a comparatively efficient use of resources because?

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#146192: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:40:23 AM

@ Capsase:

...there's a growing and alarming sentiment in the more hawkish parts of the beltway bubble that a major show of force is required to keep the American sphere of influence in line.

You mean due to events like Brexit (and the constant threat of Scottish Independence), Catalonia, Hungary and the other events in Europe, Duterte in the Philippines and Abe's more independent foreign policy in Japan?

edited 24th Oct '16 11:42:15 AM by Greenmantle

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#146193: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:40:52 AM

Sanders is prepared to be a liberal thorn in Clinton’s side.

You'll have to use a URL shortening service - such as Tiny URL - to make that link work. (It's too long.)

EDIT: Nevermind, misread.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:42:20 AM by BestOf

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146194: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:41:59 AM

If there is war with North Korea, it will be the Norks that start it. Attacking them outside of a response or a imminent attack would bring too many consequences for the US and its Asian allies, I could also see China deciding that Kim isn't worth the trouble and removing (possibly while America and friends flatten the KPA, hopefully before South Korea is flattened) him in favor of a puppet.

And Iran is too tough a nut to crack, and you could see a thaw in relations if the nuclear deals holds and the reformers make enough progress. The US is already overtaxed in the ME, and Iran would be far harder to occupy than Afghanistan and Iraq.

And frankly, the Beltway would be happy with the results of in progress procurements. You've got new carriers, the F-35 (when the kinks come out), the new refueling tanker, the B-21, modernizing the nuclear triad... Lots of money there. Whereas a costly war would just threaten their position.

Better off to assert America's sphere of influence in Europe.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:45:18 AM by Rationalinsanity

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#146195: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:42:08 AM

Same. I personally hope Sanders does what Ryan said he might be.

And yeah, the Kurds won't be abandoned by the US. They're now a vital, reliable ally in the Middle East that we can expect cooperation from. Certainly a lot more reliable than the Iraqi Army.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146196: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:43:06 AM

Because there's a (justified) fear of a domino effect occuring if countries starting realigning themselves away from the US. If the Phillipines seriously align with China, Japan will likely strike out on it's own (it has the economy to be a major power) bringing Australia and other countries in Oceania along with it. Likewise if Turkey flips to Russia, the Middle East is wide open for Russia to start installing friendly governments given the current chaos. The prospect of a multipolar world is something that America finds utterly intolerable.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:44:59 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#146197: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:43:07 AM

Capsace, this constant paranoia that people at the high levels of government are "spoiling for a war" is just absurd. It's anti-establishment fantasy. To be sure, the sentiment in question exists, but it's mainly on one side of the aisle and it's fomented by the military-industrial complex that backs them. There is no shadowy Democratic conspiracy looking for the next place to invade to wave America's dick around on the global stage, and Clinton is not a warmonger. Get this out of your head if you want to be taken seriously. The straw keeps poking out of your arguments.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:48:50 AM by Fighteer

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#146198: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:43:31 AM

Alright, reposting.

edited 24th Oct '16 11:43:49 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#146199: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:44:41 AM

How to use TinyURL:

Take your long link. The one we're using here is this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-is-prepared-to-be-a-liberal-thorn-in-clintons-side/2016/10/24/aaf6dd88-97eb-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html

Go to tinyurl.com.

Paste your long link into the box at the most prominent part of the page. (It's really obvious.)

Click the button to make the link tiny.

This is the resulting URL in this case: http://tinyurl.com/jkychca.

So you can use that in your Pot Hole to the article. Like so.

EDIT: [nja]. Also, I see that I found the original source via Google, while you had a repost of it. (Doesn't matter either way.)

edited 24th Oct '16 11:46:27 AM by BestOf

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146200: Oct 24th 2016 at 11:46:41 AM

I could see the US doing something about the Philippines. I expect soft power and leveraging internal dissenters before sending the Marines to kick President Punisher's teeth in though.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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