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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#146126: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:12:13 AM

[up][up]It's the shared batshit section of the political curve. Not that surprising when you look at it like that. tongue

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
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Oh, bother.
#146128: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:31:36 AM

Speaking of batshit insane,

Jill Stein is giving interviews on Infowars

List of previous Stein sins:

1) Fan of Assange and Wikileaks 2) Fan of Putin 3) Accused John Oliver of being an HRC shill

Yeah, I haven't exactly been shy about how much I like Last Week Tonight.

edited 24th Oct '16 1:32:56 AM by M84

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#146129: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:42:10 AM

(As a side note, Last Week Tonight is not the best stuff that John Oliver has done. That would be The Bugle Podcast, with the even more talented Andy Zaltzman.)

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#146130: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:44:13 AM

[up][up]Now, if she had said Trevor Noah, then she'd be absolutely right. But I don't remember Oliver disappointing me in that way.

Sheltered Granny Hillary jokes!

Hillary is definitely a Schyler sister figure; Angelica and Eliza rolled up into one. Complete with her young scrappy and hungry husband getting a well-publicized affair, though he wasn't stupid enough to publicize it himself!

edited 24th Oct '16 1:44:53 AM by TheHandle

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146131: Oct 24th 2016 at 2:05:37 AM

[up] It was in response to his segment on Third Parties. During a townhall interview with The Young Turks, she accused him of being in the tank for HRC just because he pointed out the flaws in her plan to cancel student debt — flaws she didn't actually address properly. Never mind that in that very segment he described HRC as a "hawkish establishment figure who many see as the embodiment of everything wrong with American politics."

edited 24th Oct '16 2:07:25 AM by M84

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#146132: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:32:04 AM

A description of HRC that is heavily flawed and lacks nuance at that.

edited 24th Oct '16 3:32:20 AM by TacticalFox88

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146133: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:33:36 AM

[up] TBF, he also pointed out in his "Scandals" segment that HRC's "scandals" are more or less nothingburgers, while Trump's scandals are very real and dwarf hers in magnitude and number. He at least had the good sense to avoid the False Equivalence crap so prevalent in cable news.

edited 24th Oct '16 3:49:25 AM by M84

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#146134: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:00:13 AM

Nothingburgers! I am so adding that to my vocabulary.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146135: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:09:21 AM

[up][up][up] I'd say it's quite accurate. The Clintons are among the most successful examples of cynical, unprincipled realpolitik in our modern political system. That's not necessarily bad, there's a time and a place for that sort of soulless pragmatism, but it's really not what we need now. Clinton never once broke off from the beltway consensus in a significant way during her decades of political service, and I expect her presidency will be more or less the same.

The populist uprising we're seeing in the west isn't going anywhere, and one way or another over the coming decades, it's going to overcome the political status quo. Or perhaps just as likely, we'll see a clamping down on political freedoms, increasingly opaque elections, and massive waves of political imprisonments as the powerful become increasingly disillusioned with democracy.

There may still be room for a compromise in certain political systems, but I fear it's already too late to stop what's been set in motion in the United States.

edited 24th Oct '16 7:20:37 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#146136: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:17:04 AM

I beg your pardon?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146137: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:19:34 AM

[up] Talk is cheap. It was never implemented, and more importantly it was before her time in office. That's also not a counterexample, given the democrats have had that sort of reform on their agenda for decades.

edited 24th Oct '16 4:23:19 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#146138: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:23:21 AM

Yes, because the concept was plucked apart in factionalism. Not exactly all that meaningful.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146139: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:28:00 AM

It's also not something that went against beltway groupthink at the time; it was well within the acceptable range of elite discourse. Which isn't intended as derragatory by the way.

edited 24th Oct '16 4:29:21 AM by CaptainCapsase

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#146140: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:28:37 AM

You'd think if Killary was going to assassinate anyone, the first target would've been Bill. tongue

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146141: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:41:53 AM

The cognitive dissonance is strong with Hillary haters. She's somehow a weak and ineffectual old lady on death's door who can't walk straight and an evil demon witch queen who has people killed at the drop of a hat and is poised to establish a new world order.

edited 24th Oct '16 5:42:21 AM by M84

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#146143: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:17:57 AM

Well, that's not mutually contradictory. To give just one example:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/white_walter_h_7573.jpg

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#146144: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:19:08 AM

LUNTZ: Well, I have been to 26 states now. I will probably make it to 30 before the election is over. And it means that there is no coming together.

And I think it’s going to be very challenging for the GOP, because you have got some Trump voters who are unwilling to vote for a Republican for Senate or Congress as a way to send a message to the establishment, and you have got some independents who want to vote Republican for the Senate and the House, but won’t because they’re too connected to Donald Trump.

With only 17 days to go, I have not seen an election like this, where there is so much intraparty battles going on at a time when the Republicans should be focused on the Democrats and prosecuting the case against their leadership.

Glorious!

edited 24th Oct '16 6:20:19 AM by NoName999

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#146145: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:46:41 AM

Donald Trump picks up a key newspaper endorsement: the Las Vegas Review-Journal, owned by his buddy, Sheldon Adelson, bringing his total to... four, I believe.

Trump, the Review-Journal’s editorial board assures readers, “promises to be a source of disruption and discomfort to the privileged, back-scratching political elites for whom the nation’s strength and solvency have become subservient to power’s pursuit and preservation.”

Yes, the billionaire Adelson thinks that we need to disrupt the "privileged, back-scratching political elites", which he (like Trump) knows all about, having been a principal money masseuse for the Republican Party.

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#146146: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:52:35 AM

   Pot, meet kettle   

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#146147: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:58:33 AM

Trump, the Review-Journal’s editorial board assures readers, “promises to be a source of disruption and discomfort to the privileged, back-scratching political elites for whom the nation’s strength and solvency have become subservient to power’s pursuit and preservation.”

People keep talking like this is new, like this is a decadent development, when it's Older Than Dirt. They wanna be in the room where it happens, where the sausage is made.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#146148: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:15:18 AM

[up] It tends to go in cycles. Throughout the history of democracy there's been a struggle between popular forces of various stripes and insiders who would very much prefer to be governing an oligarchy with absolutely no democratic input by the vast majority of the population.

edited 24th Oct '16 7:38:06 AM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146149: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:25:53 AM

This explains why conservatives are so terrified of George Soros. It's yet another example of psychological projection. They think he plans to take over the world by bankrolling the so-called progressive movement.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#146150: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:40:07 AM

Never mind that in that very segment he described HRC as a "hawkish establishment figure who many see as the embodiment of everything wrong with American politics."

The funny thing is, even assuming this is true, I don't really have much problem with any of it. I don't particularly care about being "friendly with Wall Street" because it apparently hasn't had a huge impact on her policy decisions and thinking, and I don't really care about being antagonistic to groups just for the sake of being "progressive".

While she does represent what many Americans hate about politics, what many Americans hate about politics is frankly stupid and misdirected a lot of the time.

As has been said in this thread, hawkishness is relative, and people who bring it up never really seem to have a reason besides never wanted military force used at all. At least, in my experience when discussing it with people.

edited 24th Oct '16 8:04:00 AM by LSBK


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