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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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: ... Wow, Trump. Just... Wow. It's like he didn't even bother studying his country's history.
edited 23rd Oct '16 9:34:31 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Wow. So I just went through ~40 pages of this thread (I've been busy) and caught that link to Hillary at the Al Smith dinner. Holy Crap. Who wrote her script, Give-No-Fucks Obama? You could see Drumpf gritting his teeth the whole way through it! And the look on Rudy Giuliani's face was priceless.
Just to jump back to Assange for a second, it's actually more complicated that it appears, as Assange broke his bail conditions in the U.K so as to flee to the Ecuadorian embassy, that itself is a crime. So assuming Sweden gets precedent Assange would be tried in Sweden on rape charges and if found innocent sent back to the UK to be tried for breaking his bail conditions, then he could possibly be extradited from the UK to the US.
edited 23rd Oct '16 10:43:57 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThat does complicate things. Obviously nobody's going to take him in as a refugee while he's held by various officials (first in Sweden, then back in the UK, and finally in the US). He'd have to make a run for it while he's being transported, and that sort of stuff doesn't tend to happen except in action movies.
His best bet, probably, would be to somehow get smuggled out of the Venezuelan embassy to somewhere where he could escape the UK altogether - probably to France, assuming he doesn't have access to airports without detection - and then he'd have to basically find his way into another country's embassy to be protected there. He's actually already requested that France take him in, but they said no - so he'd have no help from French authorities, either.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.Doesn't Nixon get Vindicated by History moments for creating the Environment Protection Agency, approved the laws to reduce racial inequality in the US and filed motions to end the Vietnam war, though still screwing LBJ in the process and reopening the US-China relations?
If were not by his Watergate scandal and his paranoia I don't think that Nixon would be considered a bad president and specially compared to the latter Republicans/
edited 23rd Oct '16 11:32:09 AM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesAlso Nixon had some nice healthcare stuff.
And he didn't sue people who said mean things about him.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?The GOP probably wouldn't nominate Reagan in this environment. Hell, a modern Eisenhower would have been primaried or forced to join the Democrats. And they'd probably give Nixon the Eisenhower treatment (mostly ignore his domestic works, and cherry pick his overseas stuff) if Watergate hadn't made him the biggest Old Shame in American political history.
edited 23rd Oct '16 11:48:04 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.If the Trump brand hadn't been considered tarnished before, it certainly is now as the newest hotel line is dropping the Trump name in favor of Scion.

Lincoln is one of the best orators that the United States ever produced. I don't think that's an exaggeration. Among US Presidents he has very few equals. (Jefferson is one, and I can't think of another at the moment. I don't think even FDR or JFK can quite reach that level.)
Obama is also an excellent speaker. I'm sure he's in the top-10 among US Presidents, if not the top 5. It would be unreasonable to expect to have another like him, in this regard, in one's lifetime. Clinton is OK - probably about average, for a President. (Trump is even worse than Dubya.)
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.