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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#146026: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:30:18 AM

Lincoln is one of the best orators that the United States ever produced. I don't think that's an exaggeration. Among US Presidents he has very few equals. (Jefferson is one, and I can't think of another at the moment. I don't think even FDR or JFK can quite reach that level.)

Obama is also an excellent speaker. I'm sure he's in the top-10 among US Presidents, if not the top 5. It would be unreasonable to expect to have another like him, in this regard, in one's lifetime. Clinton is OK - probably about average, for a President. (Trump is even worse than Dubya.)

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#146027: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:33:54 AM

[up]As a speaker, Trump is worse than Dubya and Dan Quayle combined.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#146028: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:34:05 AM

@146009: ... Wow, Trump. Just... Wow. It's like he didn't even bother studying his country's history.

edited 23rd Oct '16 9:34:31 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#146029: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:36:50 AM

Well, Trump has always been odd to the point of being a clown. Until you get down to all the creepy aspects of his policies and some of his support basis...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#146030: Oct 23rd 2016 at 9:57:55 AM

Best Of: this is the first time I've heard of any candidate using any Battlefield park, TBH

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#146031: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:00:54 AM

Right, so it's not a normal thing, then. In that case it does come off as pretty - uhh, icky, I suppose. Tasteless.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#146032: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:07:21 AM

A desecration most foul, to be sure. Purge the heretic!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#146033: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:37:56 AM

Wow. So I just went through ~40 pages of this thread (I've been busy) and caught that link to Hillary at the Al Smith dinner. Holy Crap. Who wrote her script, Give-No-Fucks Obama? You could see Drumpf gritting his teeth the whole way through it! And the look on Rudy Giuliani's face was priceless.

I would have loved to see an election cycle with HRC vs. Colin Powell.
Colin Powell would be leading Hillary by as much as she's beating Drumpf IMO.
My deepest and most humble apologies to the late President Nixon.
Man was nuts, but at least he got shit done.
I assumed most Presidential candidates probably give at least one speech there. If it's not an established custom I must say it does reek of a degree of disrespect to use it as a platform like that.
I honestly don't recall any living candidate giving a speech there. But to point out, "a degree of disrespect" is an overwhelming understatement.
Wow, Trump. Just... Wow. It's like he didn't even bother studying his country's history.
This surprises you? This surprises anyone?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#146034: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:42:26 AM

Just to jump back to Assange for a second, it's actually more complicated that it appears, as Assange broke his bail conditions in the U.K so as to flee to the Ecuadorian embassy, that itself is a crime. So assuming Sweden gets precedent Assange would be tried in Sweden on rape charges and if found innocent sent back to the UK to be tried for breaking his bail conditions, then he could possibly be extradited from the UK to the US.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:43:57 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#146035: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:01:33 AM

That does complicate things. Obviously nobody's going to take him in as a refugee while he's held by various officials (first in Sweden, then back in the UK, and finally in the US). He'd have to make a run for it while he's being transported, and that sort of stuff doesn't tend to happen except in action movies.

His best bet, probably, would be to somehow get smuggled out of the Venezuelan embassy to somewhere where he could escape the UK altogether - probably to France, assuming he doesn't have access to airports without detection - and then he'd have to basically find his way into another country's embassy to be protected there. He's actually already requested that France take him in, but they said no - so he'd have no help from French authorities, either.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#146037: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:14:34 AM

[up][up] Assange has pissed off the US, the UK, Sweden, France, and even his hosts in Ecuador seem weary of him. Amazing.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#146038: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:16:40 AM

Doesn't Nixon get Vindicated by History moments for creating the Environment Protection Agency, approved the laws to reduce racial inequality in the US and filed motions to end the Vietnam war, though still screwing LBJ in the process and reopening the US-China relations?

If were not by his Watergate scandal and his paranoia I don't think that Nixon would be considered a bad president and specially compared to the latter Republicans/

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:32:09 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#146039: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:22:01 AM

Also Nixon had some nice healthcare stuff.

Nixon proposed more comprehensive health insurance reform—an employer mandate to offer private health insurance and replacement of Medicaid by state-run health insurance plans available to all with income-based premiums and cost sharing.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#146040: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:26:07 AM

Also, he didn't destroy his own political party.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#146041: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:28:06 AM

[up][up] Sounds familiar smile. The Democrats didn't support it because they wanted Single-Payer — a decision they've come to regret since.

Keep Rolling On
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#146043: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:30:57 AM

No, he first took the effort to actually dig up dirt on 'em.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#146044: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:46:56 AM

The GOP probably wouldn't nominate Reagan in this environment. Hell, a modern Eisenhower would have been primaried or forced to join the Democrats. And they'd probably give Nixon the Eisenhower treatment (mostly ignore his domestic works, and cherry pick his overseas stuff) if Watergate hadn't made him the biggest Old Shame in American political history.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:48:04 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#146045: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:51:00 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/10/22/a-brand-problem-donald-trumps-newest-hotel-line-wont-use-his-name/

If the Trump brand hadn't been considered tarnished before, it certainly is now as the newest hotel line is dropping the Trump name in favor of Scion.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#146046: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:53:02 AM

It's not like young people can't find out about that and avoid them anyway.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#146047: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:55:42 AM

Humorously campaigning for president is one of the worst things Trump could have probably done for himself.

Had he not put the spotlight on himself people would have still known him as a lout but a lot of the horrible stuff wouldn't have been as visible as it was.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#146048: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:56:11 AM

Can young people even afford going to the Trump hotel to begin with?

Inter arma enim silent leges
EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#146050: Oct 23rd 2016 at 12:10:49 PM

Any thoughts on my comments on Arizona from the last page? How the BBC are reporting that it's now a swing state in this election?


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