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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#145901: Oct 22nd 2016 at 2:03:13 PM

When Obama appointed Hillary for Secretary of State, was he setting her up in part for another Presidential run?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145902: Oct 22nd 2016 at 2:06:28 PM

He had to have known she'd try again.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#145903: Oct 22nd 2016 at 2:07:06 PM

[up][up]Almost certainly.

edited 22nd Oct '16 2:07:17 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#145904: Oct 22nd 2016 at 2:46:15 PM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/where-they-stand-clinton-trump-on-the-issues/ar-AAjfZUk

An article I saw posted elsewhere. It's originally from AP and covers Clinton's and Trump's stances on thirty seven different issues.

Personally, I think this election's long past the point where the candidates' stances on any given issue is secondary or even irrelevant, but still an interesting read

edited 22nd Oct '16 2:48:11 PM by sgamer82

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#145905: Oct 22nd 2016 at 2:57:44 PM

Obama appointing Hillary as Secretary of State was genius in so many ways, it's hard to fathom how he NOT couldn't have chosen her. Essentially he,:

A) Got rid of a potential headache in the Senate. True she campaigned for him in the General, but that doesn't mean she has to toe the line of his administration 24/7

B) Chose arguably the most well known woman on Earth to be by and large the most powerful diplomat in the world.

C)Set in motion for them to develop a genuine bond of friendship. Every source from magazines such as NY Ts, the Wa Po, etc conclude that the So S position forced the two to work together and that the friendship between the two is genuine. Obama is not only campaigning to secure his legacy, this is for a personal friend.

D) Boosted Hillary's credentials exponentially. While she was no slouch in 08, being So S brought her four years of raw, in-depth, nitty-gritty Foreign Policy experience that most simply do not have unless their former military commanders and/or influential ambassadors

E)She would see the mistakes that Obama would make and work to correct them whenever possible if she were to run in 2016.

F)Essentially would give her his blueprint for her race in 2016, with policy wonks, campaign strategists, among others. She's remarkably disciplined even more so than usual.

edited 22nd Oct '16 2:58:05 PM by TacticalFox88

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#145906: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:08:13 PM

I forget, why did Clinton step down as Secretary of State in the first place? Was it in preparation for her presidential campaign?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#145907: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:15:50 PM

Reportedly she wanted a break, and it's almost customary for Sec States to step down after one-term.

Had an approval rating in the high 60s too.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#145908: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:20:45 PM

And Obama's foreign policy did not quite recover from her departure. Kerry is well meaning, but oy....

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#145909: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:50:31 PM

Bill Mitchell – Verified account ‏@mitchellvii

I'm hearing from sources Hillary may be pulling out of FL. Will update when I know more.

Holy.

Shit.

O_O

I'm literally speechless

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#145910: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:57:15 PM
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#145911: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:57:23 PM

What is the significance of this?

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#145912: Oct 22nd 2016 at 3:59:27 PM

Florida is usually a swing state. If Clinton's pulling out, they clearly think they have it in the bag.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#145913: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:01:11 PM

[up]I thought it was more of a Screw This, I'm Outta Here! thing.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#145914: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:02:30 PM

If this is true, why the hell would Clinton do that? She isn't up by that much and if she takes Florida its over, even if Ohio and Iowa (and even Nevada and North Carolina) go Trump. She clearly can win Florida, so its not a strategic retreat to focus on other states.

EDIT: Wait a goddamn minute, just checked that Twitter feed for myself. The guy is a hardcore Trump supporter. With tweets such as Listening to Hillary speak, she could literally say, "I've just shat my drawers," and the crowd would cheer.

He's blowing smoke.

edited 22nd Oct '16 4:06:17 PM by Rationalinsanity

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#145915: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:08:25 PM

[up] Yup. Tweet showed up in my feed. Dunno why, considering the only conservative I follow is Rick Wilson.

edited 22nd Oct '16 4:08:48 PM by TacticalFox88

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#145916: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:10:25 PM

I could see Clinton logically pulling out of Iowa, but she's been campaigning in Ohio so she's clearly trying to sweep as many swing states as she can. And she's running at least a token campaign in Utah, Georgia and Texas.

If she's running in deep red states, she's running in Florida. It's not like the Clinton war chest is running low.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#145917: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:15:55 PM

[up][up][up]Sounds like the guy is projecting.

The amount of projection, false equivalence, and double standards are off the scale in this election.

edited 22nd Oct '16 4:17:06 PM by BearyScary

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#145918: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:21:31 PM

This election must be a decisive victory, a final defeat for madness and felony, a national indictment of irrational minds and a crushing taking-out of the stupid and the factless.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#145919: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:28:21 PM

50%-40% for the popular vote isn't as much of a crush as I'd like. Though it'd probably be higher if more people in solid blue states voted anyway.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#145920: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:49:23 PM

Even if it's a landslide, the underlying problems aren't going away. You can't just magically wish away 35% of America. The only thing that could really help is better economic opportunities, but that's a decades long process.

edited 22nd Oct '16 4:51:08 PM by storyyeller

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#145921: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:51:49 PM

And the Dems can't hold the White House forever, eventually the GOP is getting back in. And it will suck for everyone if the GOP hasn't shifted back to at least W. Bush levels.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Jetyl The Dev Cat from my apartment Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Dev Cat
#145922: Oct 22nd 2016 at 4:52:00 PM

[up][up], [up] yes, but given the historical precedents of landslides, it'd basically tell people in politics, that Trump's strategies/goals/everything are nonviable, and those crazier people lose power.

the political landscape of US would move, in general, to the left, putting us back on track to a more centrist/moderate government.

edited 22nd Oct '16 4:53:38 PM by Jetyl

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#145923: Oct 22nd 2016 at 5:03:52 PM

Anyway, Trump's never gon' be president now waii

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#145924: Oct 22nd 2016 at 5:05:54 PM

[up][up][up] Disagree. Their base is batshit fucking crazy. No one reasonable is making it out of the primaries.

It's only get worse as the GOP is going to feel the need to pander to delegitimize HRC's presidency, further driving all the reasonable people and minorities to Democrats.

It only takes a person voting for the same party 2-3 cycles for them to become party loyalists. Do that enough with Hispanics and its GG.

edited 22nd Oct '16 5:06:04 PM by TacticalFox88

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#145925: Oct 22nd 2016 at 5:09:03 PM

Shifting demographics could go a long way but (assuming that the GOP doesn't implode/split/reform) I'm not sure that the US is set up to become a de facto one party democracy (ala Japan) at the federal level. The Democrats don't totally dominate enough states yet.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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