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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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I think, in everyday political exchanges between people who don't know a whole lot about politics, saying you hate Hillary gives your opinion instant credibility. I think it's partly out of misogyny, but due to broader trends, like America's hatred of all politicians (except their politician, who is the Only Sane Man), the obsession with being a political independent, and a great liking for mindless cynicism of the "both sides are corrupt" flavor, such that Hillary's image is so often molded to fit the image of a stereotypical Corrupt Politician that the actual truth starts sounding false.
"Mindless cynicism" is an apt descriptor for a lot of people's attitudes regarding politicians, and it transcends cultural boundaries.
It's easy to say "both candidates are horrible" and have that be an acceptable position to many people, because it makes you look like a critical independent without having to actually do much measuring of candidates' strengths and weaknesses against each other.
Not being overly fond of Hillary is one thing, but equating her to Trump is supremely ignorant and shows that you're probably not in the groups that would suffer the most were he to win.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN12L2O2
Only half of Republicans would accept Clinton, the Democratic nominee, as their president. And if she wins, nearly 70 percent said it would be because of illegal voting or vote rigging, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Friday.
Conversely, seven out of 10 Democrats said they would accept a Trump victory and less than 50 percent would attribute it to illegal voting or vote rigging, the poll showed.
The findings come after repeated statements by Trump that the media and the political establishment have rigged the election against him. He also has made a number of statements encouraging his supporters to fan out on Election Day to stop illegible voters from casting ballots.
The U.S. government has accused Russia of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organizations and state election systems.
Clinton has said she will accept the results of the election no matter the outcome.
The poll showed there is broad concern across the political spectrum about voting issues such as ineligible voters casting ballots, voter suppression, and the actual vote count, but Republicans feel that concern more acutely.
For example, nearly eight out of 10 Republicans are concerned about the accuracy of the final vote count. And though generally they believe they will be able to cast their ballot, only six out of 10 are confident their vote will be counted accurately.
Among Democrats, about six out of 10 are concerned about the vote count. They, too, believe they wi1l be able to cast their ballot, but eight out of 10 are confident their vote will be counted accurately.
"Republicans are just more worried about everything than Democrats," said Lonna Atkeson, a professor at the University of New Mexico and head of the Center for the Study of Voting, Elections, and Democracy.
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Additionally, seven out of 10 Republicans are concerned about issues such as vote buying, faulty voting machines, or confusing ballot designs. Six out of 10 Democrats feel the same way.
Nearly eight out of 10 Republicans are concerned that ineligible voters, including non-citizens, will illegally cast ballots. Four out of 10 Democrats feel the same way.
Six out of 10 respondents, regardless of party, say they are concerned about issues such as voter intimidation and suppression.
Atkeson said the level of concern and mistrust in the system, especially among Republicans, is unprecedented.
“I’ve never seen an election like this. Not in my lifetime. Certainly not in modern history.” The difference, she said, is Trump. “It has to be the candidate effect.”
She worries that the lack of trust is dangerous. It is one thing to not trust government, but quite another to doubt the election process. “Then the entire premise of democracy comes into question,” she said.
About one in five Democrats said they would protest if their candidate loses. Slightly fewer Republicans said they would do the same. Fewer than one in 10 Democrats said they are prepared to take up arms in opposition compared to fewer than one in 20 Republicans.
Democrats are also are three times as likely to say they would leave the country.
There is one area where there is little disagreement: Most people do not expect the losing candidate to concede the race gracefully.
The poll surveyed 1,192 American adults online from Oct. 17 to 21. The results have a credibility interval of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points. The credibility interval for Democrats is 5.1 percentage points; for Republicans it is 5.5 points.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:55:36 PM by sgamer82
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That's true but him winning would be validation for the white supremacists and mysogynists who have surged up as a response to his campaign, and the ones who will suffer most from that are minorities.
There's also a pervasive and extremely annoying "golden means fallacy" where many people seem to be under the impression that the right hasn't become increasingly indefensible morally. The alt-right's behavior and tenets are unacceptably horrendous, and the mainstream republican politicians have only continued to enable their and Trump's behavior by backing him only until it became politically inconvenient to do so.
Had the Trump tapes not made the light of day, I doubt many of them would have recanted and abandoned him the way they did.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:55:27 PM by Draghinazzo
Hating Hillary as much as Donald doesn't make you one of the cool kids; it makes you one of the people who are too smugly lazy to apply critical thinking skills to politics.
edited 21st Oct '16 1:58:24 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!""I don't like school," said the cool kid smoking a half-foot outside the grounds.
"Me neither," said the other cool kid, lighting up his third. "They have all these rules and they try to make you learn stuff, and all those nerds suck up to the teachers. Fuck school."
"You know what else I don't like? Getting raped and murdered by that gang that hangs out on the other side of the street."
"Yeah, that's kind of sucky. Those stupid teachers keep warning us about them, but fuck teachers, right?"
"Hey, Josh is getting raped and murdered over there. Should we get the teachers' help?"
"Nah, I'm cool. They'll make us stop smoking and hang out with the nerds and they'll try to teach us 'facts' and shit. Shame about Josh, though."
edited 21st Oct '16 2:13:18 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!""Yes, but you can dislike both without equating them."
You can, but if you're being realistic, ultimately, you have to choose if you care about the outcome.
"Both sides have their problems and corrupt members."
Well, I mean, duh. Of course they do. I don't think anyone's making the claim that there isn't any corruption in one of the parties. But they're not the same, and if you think that the GOP is politically horrible, you can't say the same about the Democrats — in this era of partisanship, that claim is intellectually dishonest given their diametric opposition.
edited 21st Oct '16 2:16:30 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Well, according to the Reuters's poll, only 1 in 20 Republicans said they would actually take up arms if their candidate lost, so maybe things won't be as bad as some think they might be if Trump doesn't concede. That said, 'won't be as bad' isn't the same as 'not bad at all', so it's still a bit worrying.
Lightysnake, do you have any factual basis for calling Cardnal Dolan a lying snake? I don't exactly follow the activity of Catholic leadership but the most I can be sure of he is that he is conservative on the things Catholics tend to be conservative about. Maybe you're talking about the things he was accused of in dealing with the fallout of priest sexual abuse scandal?

They've done similar ads for other scandals. Like the one where a US Army vet who got the Purple Heart in Vietnam watches Trump insulting vets who won the Purple Heart.
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