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#145651: Oct 21st 2016 at 6:56:06 AM

Sanders got a lot of support from the "Hillary is a crook" dupes on the left, who not only believed the Republican propaganda about her but resented the idea that the nomination was a foregone conclusion.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#145652: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:24:04 AM

Just had a thought about Utah. Is there any chance that Clinton supporters will vote strategically for Mc Mullin, in an attempt to deny Trump the state's Electoral Votes?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#145653: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:26:55 AM

Just saw the Al Smith dinner. Never watched it before. Are standing ovations normal? I can't figure out, given the seating, whether it's considered part of the etiquette - Clinton got a standing ovation but Trump didn't.

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United Earth
#145654: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:29:03 AM

resented the idea that the nomination was a foregone conclusion.

That tends to cause resentment as a general rule. If a candidate is presented as a shoe-in, sanctioned by all the polls, and over-hyped as such, people are likely to vote otherwise out of sheer bloody-mindedness. See Chirac vs. Balladur in 1995, among many other examples.

Fighteer, try and remain civil towards Sanders' electorate. You're a mod, set an example.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#145655: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:31:25 AM

The worst elements of Sanders' electorate are not above criticism. And we saw enough racism, sexism, conspiracy theorizing and incivility during the primary to just pretend it didn't happen.

edited 21st Oct '16 7:33:53 AM by Lightysnake

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United Earth
#145656: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:32:21 AM

Certainly not, but what we see here is a blanket statement.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
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#145658: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:47:00 AM

"A lot" is a broad term, but doesn't mean a plurality or a majority, just that a significant number of Sanders supporters were so because they believed the narrative that Clinton is corrupt. Although whether that is what caused them to be Berners or being a Berner caused them to buy into anti-Clinton narratives is the question.

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United Earth
#145659: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:47:10 AM

Sanders got a lot of support from the "Hillary is a crook" dupes on the left, who not only believed the Republican propaganda about her but resented the idea that the nomination was a foregone conclusion.

You are correct, if one reads it as a definition of the 'HIAC-dupes-on-the-left'.

But I would counter something else: most people are 'HIAC dupes'. Given the decades-long mediatic propaganda campaign priming them to think that way, can you blame them? I've yet to meet someone who doesn't dislike or mistrust Hillary, even outside leftist and liberal circles. They go out of their way to mention it, as if it was a credit to their intelligence.

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chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#145660: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:47:22 AM

I voted for Bernie in primary but I voted for Hillary today thanks to early voting. I didn't even see Stein on the ballot.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#145661: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:51:43 AM

" I'll still never get why being a career politician is supposed to be a bad thing"

because she is the establishment and therefore BAAAAAAAAD, unlike trump who is "just" a man, this allow him pausability in his atacks since he is just "concern citizen", he is not a "puppet" of anyone....

yeah is bullshit, but that is how it goes

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#145662: Oct 21st 2016 at 8:23:03 AM

But I would counter something else: most people are 'HIAC dupes'. Given the decades-long mediatic propaganda campaign priming them to think that way, can you blame them? I've yet to meet someone who doesn't dislike or mistrust Hillary, even outside leftist and liberal circles. They go out of their way to mention it, as if it was a credit to their intelligence.
Neither interpretation makes these folks look particularly good. Either they are dupes of the media who are incapable of or unwilling to perform independent research, or they are willfully ignoring facts in favor of their custom narrative. This is a Presidential election, not a high school popularity contest. We're the ones who enable this sort of crap by eating it up with a spoon. I'm stating facts here.

edited 21st Oct '16 8:23:17 AM by Fighteer

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#145663: Oct 21st 2016 at 8:39:55 AM

[up][up]

he is not a "puppet" of anyone...

NO PUPPET, NO PUPPET...

edited 21st Oct '16 8:40:25 AM by kkhohoho

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#145664: Oct 21st 2016 at 8:45:23 AM

"They go out of their way to mention it, as if it was a credit to their intelligence."

A lot of leftists do this — they have to preface any criticism of Trump with an equivalent criticism of Hillary, even though they're demonstrably different personalities with different values that are often in direct conflict that makes simultaneous criticism of both candidates an exercise in cognitive dissonance.

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#145665: Oct 21st 2016 at 8:56:31 AM

The GOP is giving up. Specifically, branches of them are going to be running down-ticket ads about checking the power of the White House, which requires the presumption that they've lost the Presidency.

So even they think the actual election is just a formality at this point. Clinton wins, Trump loses, game over.

edited 21st Oct '16 8:56:43 AM by TotemicHero

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Oh, bother.
#145666: Oct 21st 2016 at 8:58:11 AM

[up] Might be a tad late for that...

[up][up] John Oliver put it in perspective by using raisins as a metaphor. HRC is an oatmeal raisin cookie with a couple more raisins than average. Donald Trump has raisins pouring down nonstop onto John's desk.

False Equivalency is bullshit.

edited 21st Oct '16 9:00:06 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#145667: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:18:12 AM

I'm going to suggest another reason why people may not like Hillary (not completely my own observation): She talks like a lawyer (yes, duh, she is one). When she's trying to skirt around a sensitive issue she really talks like a lawyer. But even when the actual thing you're saying is reasonable, when you talk like a lawyer it sets off savy people's BS alarms. Hell, people get up in arms when video game companies do it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#145669: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:25:13 AM

Clintons deplorable comment getting more relevant by the day

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#145670: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:26:19 AM

[up][up][up] Bill Maher said in a recent interview that he thinks it's also because HRC has become a bit guarded and jaded due to decades of scrutiny due to being a woman who refused to Stay in the Kitchen.

edited 21st Oct '16 9:26:32 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#145671: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:26:26 AM

The false equivalences constantly being made about the two seems to be the reason a guy I know who's being active in the process, intentionally never talks about Trump and only talks about why Hilary is actually good. Removing the "lesser of two evils" deception from the equation sounds good to me.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#145672: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:29:11 AM

Wikileaks posts vague warning shot at Kaine, Brazile.

For God's sake, if they have something to say, then they should just say it. There's less than three weeks left until the election - what's the point of waiting?

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#145673: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:41:39 AM

At this point I think they lack anything substantive but they're going for the slow drip to keep in the headlines (because reporters aren't just going to stop reporting on the leaks).

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#145674: Oct 21st 2016 at 9:52:42 AM

At this point it's safe to say that any credibility or legitimacy Wikileaks once had is long gone.

You know things have gone wrong when even The Young Turks are questioning the motives behind the releases.

edited 21st Oct '16 9:55:43 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#145675: Oct 21st 2016 at 10:02:39 AM

@Rational Insanity: that doesn't make any sense as a strategy when they can go ahead and actually vote for Hillary and actively give her those electorates as well as denying them to Trump. Voting for Mc Mullin in this case is just splitting the vote.


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