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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#144851: Oct 18th 2016 at 5:53:11 PM

[up] Well, I haven't seen anything about her outside of stuff linked in this thread (and the Iron Sky 2 trailer) in years, so that's a good indication.

edited 18th Oct '16 5:53:36 PM by DrunkenNordmann

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144852: Oct 18th 2016 at 5:54:39 PM

Sarah Palin was a fad that stuck around longer than she should have, but ultimately faded away.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#144853: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:02:55 PM

Also Gore and Romney. They were just sort of materialising in the centre of every conversation, no matter how unrelated to the election. Now, maybe they're not quite as meme-tastic as Trump, but how about this: what if McCain had won? Would we still be talking about Obama? Because Obama was huge in the 'net at the time - easily the top topic of conversation for the entire duration of the campaign.

My guess is that we wouldn't be talking about Obama a whole lot. Obviously he'd be a fairly senior figure in the Democrat party and famous because of that, but by 2010 he wouldn't have been the primary topic of conversation even when people were talking specifically about the Democrats.

Trump is more "viral" and so on - basically more controversial, and thus more interesting (and, let's face it, funnier) - than any other recent politician, but that's not going to be in the headlines two years from now. The comparison to Palin is a good one: remember how freaking weird and hilarious it was that she was on the ticket? Still, we don't talk/joke about her all that much these days. I'd suggest that even if the ticket had been reversed - with her as the Presidential candidate and McCain for VP - we'd still have sort of mostly forgotten about her by now.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#144854: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:03:47 PM

[up][up]Donald Trump was a fad, too. He became popular (very briefly) back in The '80s, and has somehow managed to stick around for the last thirty years, no matter how much we would like for him to go away!

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144855: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:07:42 PM

It would be great if I didn't have to hear about him every day.

Do not obey in advance.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144856: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:27:43 PM

He came back in the 00's with The Apprentice and "You're fired" memes but the whole beef with Rosie O'Donnell gave everyone a taste of his true colors. I remember my parents remarking on how thin-skinned he was. For the anti-Hillary people who believe he's overacting in order to hand her the election, no, he's always acted like that.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#144857: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:30:26 PM

http://election.scholastic.com/vote/

Just for fun: The Scholastic (as in the kids' magazine) had a mock election. Clinton won 52% - 35%. In their electoral college/state votes, only about 16 states went red, and Washington, D.C. itself went third party.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144858: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:37:56 PM

I admit I am tired of hearing about Trump, even if it's just people taking jabs at him.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#144859: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:39:40 PM

Hmm...that's pretty interesting. I wonder if that means that there's a disconnect between kids and their parents in states like Idaho and South Carolina.

Anyone here know why that might be?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144860: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:43:19 PM

Heh, just like the gendered map, even the kids in my state would make it go red. That's disappointing.

edited 18th Oct '16 6:45:09 PM by LSBK

chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#144861: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:52:44 PM

We got confirmation that Ecuador did cut off Assange's Internet because he was trying to influence the US election

https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/788506808918810624

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#144862: Oct 18th 2016 at 6:53:42 PM

Yeah pretty sure we could actually get Ecuador in some serious trouble for harboring a dude fucking with our elections.

Oh really when?
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#144863: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:02:37 PM

I'm pretty sure no Latin American nation wants to be in a position where they can be accused of messing with American elections, since they really don't want sustained negative American attention. They've had that and it didn't turn out well for them.

Also, people keep accusing Ecuador of interfering with Assange's 1st amendment rights. Ecuador's constitution was only written in 2008 so it doesn't actually have any amendments, but it's first article states that Ecuador is a republic where sovereignty rests with the citizens, pretty much. So, no, Ecuador is not violating the constitution, because only the Ecuadorian constitution applies in Ecuadorian territory, and they are not interfering with their own existence as a Republic.

edited 18th Oct '16 7:06:23 PM by Zendervai

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#144864: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:09:59 PM

[up] Also, Julian Assange is an Australian citizen on Ecuadorian territory in the United Kingdom - so the First Amendment wouldn't apply to him anyway?

edited 18th Oct '16 7:10:51 PM by DrunkenNordmann

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#144865: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:12:51 PM

Precisely what I was thinking - none of this is subject to the U.S. Constitution.

Unfortunately, it would seem many Americans forget that America does not, in fact, own the world.

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Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#144866: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:14:44 PM

I admit I am tired of hearing about Trump, even if it's just people taking jabs at him.

To be honest, if I had more time I'd write an article for my student paper or something about political news/issues, that [i]aren't[/i] about Trump and this childish mess of an election. Because there's really a ton of other things going on that I feel aren't really getting the attention they deserve, all because some jerk with a reality show thought he could be president.

Edit: Okay, to be fair, the Republican Party has been a mess for a while now. Refusing to accept Obama's Supreme Court nominee stands out especially as being super fucking childish.

totally unrelated to the thread: Hey, that Twitter link is from Eric Geller! He's on some Star Wars podcasts I listen to.

edited 18th Oct '16 7:17:00 PM by Pseudopartition

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Lost in Space
#144867: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:17:57 PM

[up] In fairness, the news cycle always drops everything else the month before a Presidential election.

Regarding Ecuador and Assange, they undoubtedly are taking the prudent course of not being seen to abet an attempt by Russia to suborn American democracy through a proxy housed in their embassy. Slow Clap.

edited 18th Oct '16 7:18:41 PM by Fighteer

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#144868: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:21:02 PM

what if McCain had won? Would we still be talking about Obama?
If Obama had lost his presidential bid, he'd probably be a prominent senator a la Elizabeth Warren... or John McCain, for that matter. Not necessarily holding an official leadership position within the Senate (like Majority/Minority Leader), but still a household name, at least.

re: cutting Assange's internet access, what exactly does that accomplish? Wikileaks (as pointed out by the official statement) can still do everything they do, it's just Assange personally that weigh in on Twitter or whatever. It seems like an odd decision on their part, honestly. They've put up with Assange for years to supposedly protect him from US attempts to silence him based on his political journalism... only for Ecuador to prevent him from doing his political journalism during a US presidential election season? That whole thing is just bizarre.

edited 18th Oct '16 7:25:10 PM by NativeJovian

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#144869: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:15:46 PM

Given how things are heating up between the US and Russia I imagine Equador is covering their ass so they don't get caught in the crossfire. At most, this is a gesture; it won't actually stop Wikileaks but it demonstrates Equador is willing to act in good faith toward us.

Also, what Assange has been doing lately is a pretty poor excuse for "journalisim".

edited 18th Oct '16 8:18:40 PM by Elle

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Lost in Space
#144870: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:18:31 PM

[up][up] The funny thing is that nobody on the Democrats' side has so much as hinted at trying to silence his "political journalism" that I know of. I don't even think there are any statutes under which he could be arrested. Libel, maybe, but that'd be a major stretch given how broadly the First Amendment is applied when it comes to journalism.

I suppose that when you live in a state of constant paranoia, you start believing the bogeymen you conjure up to justify your fears.

edited 18th Oct '16 8:20:55 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#144871: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:36:36 PM

Identity theft?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144872: Oct 18th 2016 at 8:49:45 PM

Foreign inference in their elections is something Americans can get a bit psychotic about, even if there wasn't any truth to it. So I can understand why Ecuador would want to pre-empt any such accusations.

Also, @the kids voting map: It's interesting to me that Iowa, and Iowa alone, has the kids favouring Trump and the adults (currently) favouring Clinton. And, on a separate note, I do have to commend the aesthetic taste of the collective conscious of American Youth, though- they produced a really nice looking map. A stripe of red down the middle, with blue on either side.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#144873: Oct 18th 2016 at 9:06:13 PM

Professor Obama?

Dean Obama?

Arch-chancellor Obama?

Do US unis have Arch-chancellors?

Obama is already a former law professor. He taught Constitutional Law from 1996-2004. The GOP tried to frame him as an out-of-touch ivory tower academic back when he was running for president.

I'm sure there are hundreds of people by now who regularly called him Professor Obama when he was their teacher.

edited 18th Oct '16 9:06:48 PM by Clarste

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#144875: Oct 18th 2016 at 10:06:27 PM

A thought that hit me: As had been mentioned many a time, the GOP has, for decades now, been trying and failing to discredit Hillary Clinton. I've started to wonder now, after all this time, how many of those Republicans are just cynically maneuvering, how many believed their claims from the start, and how many have been at it so long they've started Believing Their Own Lies


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