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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144801: Oct 18th 2016 at 12:57:11 PM

To be honest, it kinda bothers me that it's this scandal that's bringing him down and not the fact that he's a neo nazi.

I'm not really surprised. The race aspect is one thing, but when you get into misogyny it has a more wide-reaching effect since people who were "undecided' or tentatively supporting Trump might think about their white daughters, sisters, etc or just themselves if they ARE women and decide to drop their support based on that.

The only thing is that, as I said, Trump's misogyny isn't some new super scandalous thing. It's been all over his twitter this election cycle, and if you did any digging into his past even superficially you can see that these aren't isolated mistakes or incidents.

So people were either ignorant of his history or just trying to pretend it didn't exist.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#144802: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:02:55 PM

One positive aspect about all this shit coming out about Trump, is that more women are coming forward about sexual abuse. I sure hope men are listening.

Following the release of a video of Donald Trump bragging about kissing and groping women without consent, Crisis Text Line saw an increase in messages about sexual abuse, founder Nancy Lublin told Venture Beat in a phone interview.

Crisis Text Line is a nonprofit that works with tech platforms and governments to use SMS and chat apps to connect distressed people with trained volunteers.

Messages about things like sexual abuse, sexual harassment, and rape were 12 percent higher than average for four days after the release of the video and remained 10 percent above average last week, said chief data scientist Bob Filbin.

“We can’t say Trump’s story caused this, just that the percentage change in sexual assault conversations is associated with the timing of the story,” Filbin said.

With #notokay, thousands of women shared stories of sexual assault, and #whywomendontreport explored why the majority of sexual assault that takes place in the U.S. goes unreported.

Most of the article isn't about Trump, really.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#144803: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:09:29 PM

[up][up]Considering that #Not All Men was a thing and rape victim blaming is still a thing, it seems less "realization" and more Trump threatening something that's "theirs."

I.E.

Then "Stop whining about it/It's not a big deal/Not All Men/What were you wearing"

And as soon as Trump says it "My daughter/sister/wife and whatever other white woman I know is in danger!!!!"

edited 18th Oct '16 1:14:11 PM by NoName999

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#144804: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:15:16 PM

Yeah I was about to say, most of the Republicans coming out against Trump after there were always careful to mention their wife or daughter. Like it only matters when it happens to their property.

Which is generally what they think of women as.

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144805: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:15:21 PM

There's that too but I like to think that enough people have some lines they won't cross.

Even when I was an unknowing misogynist I still had female friends and a mother I cared about.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144806: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:18:43 PM

I mean, just because people need a more personal push to comment on something doesn't mean they don't legitimately think it's bad beyond that.

I know it's fun for some people to think that all Republicans are the devil, but that seems like pretty normal human behavior.

edited 18th Oct '16 1:23:45 PM by LSBK

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#144807: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:20:10 PM

Given their history and their legislature I'd say it's definitely more their "property" being threatened than some sort of change of heart.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144808: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:21:29 PM

Well, for some (or a lot of individuals) yeah. But talking about specific people is different from saying "All Republicans think they own every woman in their life." I mean, it's even different than just saying that about a random legislator.

edited 18th Oct '16 1:23:23 PM by LSBK

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144809: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:23:56 PM

I heard a news story that said that Wikileaks had emails that prove that the Clinton campaign staged violent protests at Trump rallies.

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144810: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:25:34 PM

First I've heard of it.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144811: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:26:07 PM

I mean I don't necessarily disagree if we're making a broad statement about the Republican politicians (although I think what LSBK said still applies), but I was moreso talking about the general voterbase beyond them.

Sometimes you just really need a really drastic wakeup-call, and like I said these things are complex. Being a misogynist or having a few misogynistic beliefs doesn't necessarily preclude caring about the women in your life on SOME level beyond viewing them as property. I'm not trying to invoke an "Not All X" here or anything just saying that these prejudices work on confusing levels.

[up][up][up] A lot of people are taking these wikileaks drops very seriously. One of the people on my FB feed used them as proof that Hillary conspired to have Trump chosen as the nominee so she could beat him, because she wouldn't have been able to beat a regular politician or something.

edited 18th Oct '16 1:27:20 PM by Draghinazzo

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144812: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:41:33 PM

I looked up the staged protests thing and found stories from months ago. Why did my local news treat this as something new?

When I googled it, a lot of the news sources seemed biased, so I knew they had an angle.

I'm happy to say that my state's senator, a female Republican, does not endorse Trump, and not just for his bragging about groping but also for his demeaning of Muslims, people in the military, and the disabled. [awesome]

edited 18th Oct '16 1:47:09 PM by BearyScary

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#144813: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:43:26 PM

You also have to consider that a: Wikileads is prone to quoting the emails out of context to be in the worst possible light for Hillary and b: the real ones have ocasionaly been mixed with a few (probable Russian) fakes

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#144814: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:45:09 PM

In an interview with Good Morning America, Trump said Paul Ryan wants Trump to lose so Ryan can run in 2020.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144815: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:47:41 PM

[up][up][up][up]To be honest, I have recently been entertaining the idea that Hillary was "spoon-fed" Trump as an opponent, given how strange it is that Republicans allowed him to get this far, knowing that he'd probably get demolished by even a halfway competent Democratic opponent. But then again, that in itself could be a Republican conspiracy to get the Democratic Party to let their guard down for the next election where they bring out their secret weapon of a nominee who's infinitely more charismatic and capable of making the trains run on time.

edited 18th Oct '16 1:49:04 PM by nervmeister

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144816: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:47:56 PM

Does Paul Ryan really want to be President? Does he?

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#144817: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:48:40 PM

I'll admit to being kind of in the #NotAllMen group, but keeping silent or trying to keep others silent about the abuse they experience just exacerbates the problem. The guys have to speak up about how that kind of shit isn't acceptable so that those doing it will understand that they'll be a social pariah for doing so, let alone criminal charges.

Or the TL;DR version - #NotAllMen but #YesAllWomen. One does not preclude the other.

edited 18th Oct '16 2:14:26 PM by ironballs16

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144818: Oct 18th 2016 at 1:57:06 PM

To be honest, I have recently been entertaining the idea that Hillary was "spoon-fed" Trump as an opponent, given how strange it is that Republicans allowed him to get this far, knowing that he'd probably get demolished by even a halfway competent Democratic opponent.

I think the Republicans were just complacent and ignorant.

They didn't realize what much of their party base really cared about and didn't think he would amount to anything, which led to Trump winning the nomination, because they could have easily dug up a bunch of shit on him and yet they didn't.

They let him ride it out this far probably out of some misplaced party loyalty and also because they somehow view letting a democrat take the presidency as even worse, and only decided to back out when it became politically opportune/convenient to do so.

[up]It's important in that case not to take that kind of sweeping statement too personally. You can just substitute it for "men have been fed a lot of negative messages about how to treat women, and this is largely the result" in most cases which I think is a bit more accurate, if you're not part of the problem you can just shrug it and move on. Individual men are still responsible but it's important to acknowledge everyone is as much a product of their environment as anyone else and these attitudes don't exist in a vacuum.

edited 18th Oct '16 1:58:50 PM by Draghinazzo

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#144819: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:05:19 PM

I still can't wait for all the shit talking Obama is gonna do when the election is over. Especially if we have the House (doubtful, but I remain hopeful).

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#144820: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:10:33 PM

I don't think Obama will be doing much trash talking once he's left office. He's one of the youngest Presidents in history and so he has quite a career left ahead of him in public service of various sorts. Becoming a roving, embittered political analyst seems beneath him, in many ways.

edited 18th Oct '16 2:10:45 PM by Fighteer

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144821: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:11:40 PM

I saw a news story that showed women protesting in front of Trump Tower. One woman had a sign that said, "This pussy votes". I kind of want to declare that as awesome.

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#144822: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:13:14 PM

[up][up]I think he'd be an amazing standup comedian or late-night show host. The man is smart.

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#144823: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:13:25 PM

[up][up]Trump lacks even the slightest shred of self-awareness that would lead him to understand that he is the cause of their behavior, not a victim of it.

[up] Becoming a comedian just feels beneath him, though. He's got a gift for it, but I would expect him to take on a statesman role more than anything, or go into education. He surely has no shortage of offers.

edited 18th Oct '16 2:14:38 PM by Fighteer

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United Earth
#144824: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:16:22 PM

Professor Obama?

Dean Obama?

Arch-chancellor Obama?

Do US unis have Arch-chancellors?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#144825: Oct 18th 2016 at 2:20:59 PM

They are probably called Presidents.


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