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#144601: Oct 17th 2016 at 10:48:55 AM

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If you want to line up in front of the bulldozer in a human chain to prevent it from going to work, that'd be notably more effective.

Or sabotage the bulldozer (or their fuel supply) so it can't work?

edited 17th Oct '16 10:49:20 AM by Greenmantle

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#144602: Oct 17th 2016 at 10:52:22 AM

[up] I think the idea is stopping the bulldozer without damaging the bulldozer itself, which falls into vandalism.

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#144603: Oct 17th 2016 at 10:59:10 AM

Quite. The trick with civil disobedience is finding ways to do it without crossing the "actually a criminal act" line. That's why MLK warned his followers that when people started throwing bottles and sticks and stuff at them, to just keep on marching and not engage. Once you give people the rationalization they need to dismiss your movement as a bunch of criminals doing crime, you've lost the ears you were trying to reach in the first place.

A human chain in front of the bulldozer is a dare. If they run you over, they are CLEARLY the bad guy and your cause is immediately justified by association. Sabotaging the bulldozer just makes people think you're a thug.

Civil disobedience is all about PR. End of the day, the most important thing is who looks like the villain in the photos and newscasts.

edited 17th Oct '16 11:01:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#144604: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:08:36 AM

It also requires people with the power to change the rules to have a sense of shame of that villainy. It tends to fail under dictatorships: the righteous cause successfully creates a martyr but very little else changes.

edited 17th Oct '16 11:12:02 AM by Elle

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#144605: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:18:27 AM

Sabotaging heavy machinery, like spiking trees, is a dangerous crime and one for which you should rightfully do jail time.

It also requires people with the power to change the rules to have a sense of shame of that villainy. It tends to fail under dictatorships: the righteous cause successfully creates a martyr but very little else changes.

Fortunately we aren't talking about a dictatorship.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#144606: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:22:05 AM

Looks like the Democratic Party is starting to gain a definitive lead in the Senate race according to 538.

The Democratic Party gaining a simple majority in the Senate has been more likely then not for most of the campaign, but over the last week they've started to really pull ahead.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144607: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:23:53 AM

Apparently Clinton has been campaigning in Arizona.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#144608: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:33:49 AM

Not sure if it's been mentioned (this thread's moving fast now), but Trump might have crossed the Godwin's Law line by alleging that Clinton was conspiring with "International Banks" to revoke US Sovereignty. He didn't actually mention Jews in the statement, but fucking hell did it get too close.

“We’ve seen this firsthand in the Wiki Leaks documents in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends and her donors,”

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#144609: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:35:22 AM

Frankly, the reputation of those online communities as hotbeds of male insecurity, racism, and misogyny is one major reason why I don't hang out there. I wonder if it's at least partly responsible for the entitlement complex that is frequently found in consumers of digital media, wherein they come to believe that they are being individually targeted for persecution if creators don't do precisely what they want (even if what they want is impossible and/or blatantly contradictory).

[up] We've seen Trump use anti-Semitic symbolism in his campaign advertising before; this is not exactly a surprise. It's also rather ironic considering that, early in his campaign, he said he'd prefer his accounting to be done by "little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day" rather than blacks. (citation)

edited 17th Oct '16 11:49:51 AM by Fighteer

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#144610: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:36:33 AM

[up][up]You can sure as hell bet the Alt-Right and Nazi fans of his took it as (((Teh Jews!)))

edited 17th Oct '16 11:36:46 AM by carbon-mantis

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#144611: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:38:16 AM

[up][up][up] Maybe that's what prompted the firebombing in NC and the graffiti?

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#144612: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:42:26 AM

So apparently we're at Defcon 3 now.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#144613: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:44:51 AM

Yeah apparently it's over Syria.

Meh

Oh really when?
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#144614: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:45:03 AM

Trumps son-in-law in talks to create TrumpTV after the election as many suspected. Seems he's having trouble finding people willing to invest in it.

edited 17th Oct '16 11:45:11 AM by carbon-mantis

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#144615: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:47:05 AM

That would be sweet irony if the election bid people suspected would be the path to a Trump TV network killed people's willingness to fund it.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144616: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:54:39 AM

Have we discussed John Oliver's take on the third-party candidates yet?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#144617: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:56:00 AM

I'm waiting for Trump to send out a tweet saying Hillary is a coward for not taking us right to Defcon 5 or something equally stupid.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144618: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:57:15 AM

[up][up]It was mentioned. His summing up of the four candidates was depressing but pretty accurate.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144619: Oct 17th 2016 at 11:57:31 AM

That would be amazing.

Defcon 3 just for Syria? That still bothers me a little considering that Russia's there. Don't want this spiralling out of control.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#144620: Oct 17th 2016 at 12:01:12 PM

Lowering the Defcon level could have something to do with the Battle of Mosul as well, right?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#144621: Oct 17th 2016 at 12:03:38 PM

Snopes is saying the Defcon thing is false, by the way.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#144622: Oct 17th 2016 at 12:04:59 PM

So we have out anchors at all three major 24 hour news channels. It seems Shep Smith has come out. Or already was and I'm only now hearing about it but whatever...

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144623: Oct 17th 2016 at 12:05:05 PM

[up][up]Insert "do you think someone would just go on the internet and tell lies?" clip here

edited 17th Oct '16 12:05:33 PM by LinkToTheFuture

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#144624: Oct 17th 2016 at 12:06:04 PM

Mmm, the defcon thing only seems to be on conspiracy sites and tabloids at the moment.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#144625: Oct 17th 2016 at 12:08:04 PM

How about this, The US just bombed Yemen, and no one's talking about it. WTF?

While many Americans, myself included, were all hypnotized by the bizarre spectacle of the Republican nominee for president, a US navy destroyer fired a barrage of cruise missiles at three radar sites controlled by the rebel Houthi movement in Yemen. This attack marked the first time the US has fought the rebels directly in Yemen’s devastating civil war.

The cruise missile salvo ramps up the already significant US military involvement in deeply divided and desperately poor Yemen. While it’s true that the US has launched drone strikes on al-Qaida targets in Yemen for years, sometimes killing civilians and even US citizens, this particular military engagement has the potential to drag the US straight into a protracted and escalating conflict. And, as everyone knows, America has an uncanny ability to enter protracted and escalating military conflicts.

If we investigated, we would find that the Pentagon justified this attack as retaliation. Last week, missiles were fired on two separate occasions at another navy destroyer off of Yemen’s southern coast. Those missiles fell harmlessly into the water, but they were enough of a provocation that the navy responded with its own bombardment.

It gets even more complicated from there. This is some serious shit. Can we talk about this instead of pussy-grabbing racists? Because the US Military certainly aren't waiting for the election to be resolved before they make this kind of momentous decision.

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