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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144301: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:43:01 PM

[up][up]When politics became more about the media circus than critical thought.

edited 15th Oct '16 12:44:00 PM by nervmeister

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#144302: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:44:30 PM

[up][up] I thought we've established that racist members of other ethnicities also supported Trump; white people aren't the only racist people on the planet.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#144303: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:45:35 PM

But mostly white people being racist.

This has been a long time coming.

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144304: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:46:44 PM

[up][up]That goes without saying, but Trump's campaign has specifically been riding on the waves of a specific white anxiety centered on fear and distrust of minorities.

We don't need to preface things with "but not all" every time we make broad societal statements.

edited 15th Oct '16 12:47:31 PM by Draghinazzo

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#144305: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:47:42 PM

Tangentially reminded of The Player of Games where I was amused by the unstated joke about people using performance enhancing drugs to win a a boardgame.

But yeah, I consider this as good as an admission that Trump was on drugs since he always accuses people of his own flaws.

edited 15th Oct '16 12:48:06 PM by Hodor2

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#144306: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:49:32 PM

Trump and his die-hard supporters...

State of Residence: Denial

Marital Status: Divorced From Reality

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144307: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:49:46 PM

About most Republican women wanting to stand by Trump, isn't it a thing that Republicans, in general, prefer their people to not back down, even when they're proven to be wrong, rather than compromise?

I'm sure that's been a thing that's been established, because they view willing to compromise as an inherent weakness.

edit:

I thought we've established that racist members of other ethnicities also supported Trump; white people aren't the only racist people on the planet.

But the white ones are the biggest issues. Not all of Trump's supporters are racist and/or white, and I think it's a mistake to just whittle the situation down to that, but racist whites are the reason he's gotten so far.

edited 15th Oct '16 12:55:32 PM by LSBK

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144308: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:52:36 PM

That does seem to be a thing yes. It's been pointed out to me many times that many republicans seem to think that voting democrat is akin to making a pact with the devil or something, regardless of how horrible Trump is otherwise.

Kinda shows that their priorities are a little bit questionable.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144309: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:53:00 PM

[up][up]That kind of overlooks how much the "theater" aspect of politics promoted by media outlets influenced things. It's more about the pissing contest than anything now. Trump is merely the symptom, not the cause.

It's been pointed out to me many times that many republicans seem to think that voting democrat is akin to making a pact with the devil or something, regardless of how horrible Trump is otherwise.
Overheated supporters of one side think voting for the other side is unspeakably terrible? Get out!

edited 15th Oct '16 1:01:10 PM by nervmeister

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144310: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:02:42 PM

Is it true that Hillary has dealings with countries where marital rape is legal?

Do not obey in advance.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#144311: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:03:57 PM

Yeah, it was legal in a fair number of states until surprisingly recently.

Oh really when?
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#144312: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:04:03 PM

I would hope she has dealings with every country in the world, since ignoring countries you don't like isn't really an option in diplomacy.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#144313: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:04:53 PM

Probably. The US has diplomatic connections to everyone. Interacting with a country like Saudi Arabia is her job, and she can't force those countries to change.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144314: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:10:04 PM

Oh. I asked because Fox News keeps trying to make her look bad for that, but she can't do anything about it, can she?

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#144315: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:10:55 PM

As she is a former Secretary of State, I could believe Hillary Clinton can be connected to basically every country we have diplomatic ties to. And given the United States is a major player on the world stage, we have diplomatic ties to basically every UN-recognized country on Earth (and a few that aren't UN recognized, like Taiwan and Kosovo). Including plenty of countries that have some seriously screwed up laws and some we really hate but aren't in directly conflict with.

edited 15th Oct '16 1:11:20 PM by Falrinn

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#144316: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:11:21 PM

Only if they intend to make every single president and secretary of State look bad since the Washington Administration.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144317: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:12:55 PM

If it's from Wikileaks, it's not a) not reliable b) out of context c) yet another manufacturoversy or d) all of the above.

And if FOX reported it, you can bet they reported it in the worst possible way.

edited 15th Oct '16 1:13:44 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144318: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:17:09 PM

Fox News preys on people's ignorance (not to say they're stupid) a lot, doesn't it?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144319: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:17:15 PM

1998 Howard Stern interview featuring more absolute disgustingness from Trump. There's some truly vile stuff being said here.

In a previously unreported 1998 interview with Howard Stern, Donald Trump compared sex to going to battle in Vietnam and joked he should be getting the Congressional Medal of Honor.

In the May 7, 1998 appearance, obtained and reviewed by CNN's KFile, Trump also said "women are worse than men, they're more sexually aggressive than men," adding, "If they're married they're even worse."

Trump also spoke at length about his Miss Universe contest, telling Stern and co-host Robin Quivers, "we don't base it on talent, we don't base it on brains."

Trump's past comments on women and sex have received renewed scrutiny after a 2005 "Access Hollywood" tape surfaced last week in which Trump brags about doing anything he wants to women — including grabbing them by the genitals — because he's a star. Trump has called those comments "locker room talk," but did apologize for them in a video statement.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment on this story.

CNN's KFile has previously reported on several of Trump's appearances on Stern, including one in which he expressed approval of the radio shock jock calling his daughter, Ivanka, a "piece of ass," and another in which he said of actress Lindsay Lohan, "deeply troubled" women are "always the best in bed." A spokesperson for the Trump campaign has not returned a request for comment on those comments.

Comparing sex to Vietnam:

"Have you had sex with Anna Nicole Smith?" Stern asked Trump in the 1998 interview.

"It's funny Howard, if I had sex with a number of women that I'm supposed to have had sex with, I wouldn't be talking to you right now. I'd be dead," Trump said.

"Yeah, you'd be dead," said Stern. "You'd have some disease."

"I'd be dead," added Trump.

During the conversation, Trump said, "You know in the book I wrote that women are worse then men, they're more sexually aggressive then men."

"Not my wife," Stern said.

"No, no they're worse then men," Trump said. "If they're married they're even worse."

Trump and Stern then returned to the discussion after speaking about single life and dating.

"Hey, so wait a second, get back to my question," Stern said. "Let's say you're with a hot chick, right? But you're so germ paranoid, and I'm germ paranoid, do you say to them, 'look you've got to go take a medical test before I do you.'"

"Well, you'd like to say that, and sometimes you do," added Trump. "The problem is that sometimes your own chemicals take over and you can't wait."

"So you'll just have straight intercourse with a rubber with them right?" Stern asked.

"Well, I don't know, you know there's lots of different ways of doing it. It's a very complicated subject. They say that more people were killed by women in this act than killed in Vietnam, OK," Trump said.

"Yes, that is true," replied Stern.

"You know, you get criticized for that statement, but that statement is very easily true," added Trump.

Stern responded, "I even went as far to say that you're braver than any Vietnam vet because you're out there screwing a lot of women."

"Getting the Congressional Medal of Honor, in actuality," said Trump.

Later in the interview Trump and Stern again compared avoiding STDs to Vietnam.

"I'm having a good time, but Howard, you know the one negative: It's very, very dangerous out there," said Trump.

"Yes it is, it's your Vietnam," added Stern.

"It's Vietnam," added Trump. "It is very dangerous. So I'm very, very careful."

"You won't find rocket scientists, you won't find brain surgeons. What you'll find are the most beautiful women in the world," Trump said.

"And they do wear bikinis and thongs, right?" asked Stern.

"They wear thongs, they wear bikinis, they wear high heels," said Trump. "They wear just about everything that you're not supposed to wear because that's not politically correct."

"Right, the show is totally politically incorrect," said Stern.

"Totally politically incorrect," said Trump. "You know Miss America went to politically correct and their ratings have been nosediving. They're not allowed to wear heels. They're not allowed to wears shoes. They have to wear these very large bathing suits in one piece. We don't do that.'

"The problem with Miss America, you know the girls are talented, they do have talent, but it's very tough to find great beauty with great talent, and they do" added Trump. "And I'm a big fan of Miss America, I think it's great, I literally host it in Atlantic City because of my places. But, I'll tell you the women in Miss America are just not nearly as beautiful as the women in Miss USA or Miss Universe."

"Hey, I'm gonna tell you something," replied Stern. "Maybe you can't say it, I will. In Miss America, a lot of them are pigs. They're flat."

"Well, it's a different level of standard and it's a different level of beauty," said Trump.

Trump later said he doesn't date Miss Universe contestants during the show, but he takes them to dinner after their reign is over.

"See, I would never want to date a Miss Universe during a run, but after your reign, I take them out to dinner," added Trump.

"You do them," said Stern. "I'm not tuning in for a debate. I don't want any brainy broads. I want a hot looking chick. When I go to the beach, at Jones Beach, I can see hotter chicks than I see on Miss America. That's why this Miss Universe is good. I'm with Donald on this. He knows what guys dig: thongs, high heels."

"You want to see pretty women," co-host Robin Quivers said.

"Pretty, dumb chicks," said Stern.

"You know, we don't base it on talent. Hey Robin, we don't base it on talent, we don't base it on brains. We don't base it—we base it on one thing: beauty," said Trump.

"As Donald once said to me off the air, I wanna be able to watch this thing with the sound off, don't even matter," added Stern. "I wanna hear conversation I'll talk to my wife. You know what I'm saying?"

"That's exactly right," Trump said.

edited 15th Oct '16 1:18:45 PM by AlleyOop

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#144320: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:18:30 PM

@BearyScary

I'm reminded of a Facebook friend of mine who is a Trump supporter tell me I was insane for thinking Clinton the better choice and stated her reason for not supporting Clinton was her alleged support fit Sharia law.

I looked up "Clinton Sharia" on Google and got the Snopes page debunking it as literally the first result. I noted this and was told Snopes is liberal biased. I noted the same search came up empty on other more neutral sources (ap, Reuters, politico) other than sites with conservative bias. I asked if she has a neutral source confirming such a statement of support by Clinton and she said she would get back to me.

Haven't heard back after a week-plus

edited 15th Oct '16 1:19:53 PM by sgamer82

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144321: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:21:27 PM

[up] Yes, the devout Methodist supports Sharia...

And is having Sharia in the U.S. really any worse than letting people like Pence or Cruz carry out their agendas?

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144322: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:22:06 PM

"Liberal bias" is the ultimate conservative rebuttal to any argument against them, it seems. Must suck to live with that kind of persecution complex.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144323: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:23:40 PM

@sgamer: Oh, lord. XD

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#144324: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:23:55 PM

Reality has a liberal bias.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#144325: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:24:34 PM

[up][up][up]Projection is a hell of a thing.

edited 15th Oct '16 1:24:55 PM by LSBK


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