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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
He later went back and expanded on the travyon martin comment, saying it was legally justified but not morally so. Said a cop killing a kid doesn't improve anything for anyone.
He seems like a remarkably average guy to me tbh, a person with some decency to them but a few questionable or repulsive habits and views.
Of course, an article with actual data is easy to take more seriously than one that is essentially a prolonged anecdote, but the contrast between the two is interesting
I'd say that both are factions that are behind Trump, and are die hard in different ways. As I see it, there are 3 different big factions behind Trump that aren't going to be dissuaded from supporting him in this election.
The most solid, hardest of the die hards are the white supremacist alt-right. They will take any chance to try to further spread their poisonous ideals, and have latched onto Trump since day 1. They're not going anywhere, and will continue being a problem after this election, as some of Goldwater's supporters did after Goldwater got crushed in '68. A few alliances later and those supporters became coalition that swept Reagan in power and have changed the course of the country ever since. Calling them out on their horrid nature just redoubles their determination and feeds into their persecution complex.
The next most solid group, according to Clarste's article and previous ones that I've seen as well, (don't have time to post them right now, I might be able to late tonight if anyone wants to see them) are white people who are doing than their peers who nonetheless have major anxiety about the future. They're not necessarily as racists as the white supremacists, but they don't have any love for minorities either, want them to shut up so it doesn't bother them. What their first priority is, however, isn't necessarily race but the fact that they see the economy changing or their once prosperous towns and cities in decline, and are scared for the future and that of their kids. Any economic recovery isn't helping them or the people around them, so they think it's a bullshit claim and want an anti-establishment paradigm change mostly because they never want to feel the fear that they or their kids might lose everything. They may not be particularly attached to a particular ideology, but they are seriously anti-globization, anti-modern, want a return to economically safer days of the past, and don't want to admit that isn't possible. These are the people who will vote for anything against the establishment, and might have happily supported Bernie too.
Last are the people who are truly down trodden, who David Wong of Cracked was mostly writing about. They've been taught since birth to be self-reliant, to never ask for help and to distrust the feds, so they won't vote Democrat, at least not en masse, (you might get some that get pulled that way for a particular election though) because it's anathema to them. They also expect things to be the way it was in past generations: to do the same work at the same factories and live the way their parents and grandparents did. They've also been taught the same way, (Republican) sometimes based on various cultural issues and it's a bit of a tribal marker. They're often ill-informed, have all but given up on things ever getting better, and are voting Trump purely because, to paraphrase Wong, it's a brick through the window of the people they think are doing just fine, who are alien to them, and mock them and how they live.
That last group is the least hardcore of the Trump supporters, and their percentages can maybe have a percentage point or two peeled off when they perceive Trump as going too far, resulting in them just staying home and Drowning Their Sorrows instead.
At least, that's my perspective, both from a combination of news and living and going to school in suburbs/quasi rural areas that were completely rural a few generations ago and where there is a fair amount of Trump support.
edited 15th Oct '16 10:10:18 AM by TheWanderer
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |The David Wong's article in hand.
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It shouldn't really surprise anyone that he turned out to be an average guy, his question was good but not out of the ordinary. Still seeing him trying to become a forced meme, like Milhouse, is one of those things I can't really give a single damn about.
The hype around Ken Bone is hilarious more because it exposes the utter inanity of the American political audience than anything about the man himself. Mr. Bone, is, big surprise, a slightly crude middle-aged man from Appalachia, and that's fine. It would be kind of weird if he had, in spite of an unregulated Internet presence, an entirely squeaky clean existence.
But he asks a completely inane question about our energy situation, one that could not possibly be answered well in two minutes, let alone in an hour-long speech, and a question, at that, to which he most desperately wanted to hear those two, mythical, idiotic words, "clean coal," and suddenly, he becomes a celebrity because he has a child molester's mustache and a grandpa's choice in clothing. Being the only audience member to ask a policy question, he could have been more incisive and pointed, but choose to let both candidate sweetly serenade him with platitudes. And he's an undecided voter in October, after months of Trump's insanity, racism, and misogyny. I mean, come on, man.
edited 15th Oct '16 10:27:03 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Hey, this is something you REALLY need to check out:
will.i.am posted a satirical music video of Trump labeled "Grab them By The Pussy"
. I'm dying over here
Seriously, I don't listen to the Black Eyed Peas, but maybe I should start. And why can't HE be running for president?
@ Wanderer:
Last are the people who are truly down trodden, who David Wong of Cracked was mostly writing about. They've been taught since birth to be self-reliant, to never ask for help and to distrust the feds, so they won't vote Democrat, at least not en masse, (you might get some that get pulled that way for a particular election though) because it's anathema to them. They also expect things to be the way it was in past generations: to do the same work at the same factories and live the way their parents and grandparents did. They've also been taught the same way, (Republican) sometimes based on various cultural issues and it's a bit of a tribal marker. They're often ill-informed, have all but given up on things ever getting better, and are voting Trump purely because, to paraphrase Wong, it's a brick through the window of the people they think are doing just fine, who are alien to them, and mock them and how they live.
Sounds familiar. Their British equivalents voted for Brexit — although they're economically (Hard) Left here (and Conservative socially), as fits our political history.
Keep Rolling OnI talked to the guy who is campaigning for Trump near where I lived and asked him why he bothered and whether he seriously thought Trump could win California. He mentioned the rally in NH and said that Trump was doing great and would win in a landslide.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayCrossposting from the tv thread- the villain of season 2 of Luke Cage should be based on this guy
(for context, New York Republican candidate who was controversial for saying he'd attract black voters through fried chicken and Koolaid was arrested for crooked rent practices).
Trump is now accusing Clinton of using performance enhancing drugs during the debate, and wants the third debate to have a drug test.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-drug-test/index.html
This is coming from a guy who sniffles like he just did a few lines of coke...
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

He did an AMA on reddit using his actual Reddit account. His full history viewable to everyone...
Highlights include comments on r/Preggoporn, lewd comments on images from 'The fappining' hacks, calling the shooting of Travon Martin justified, comments that are either homophobic or lewd on a lesbian subreddit (the article not quite clear on it) etc.
An interview with him was also included and he basically fessed up to all of it, apologized and clarified a lot of it.
edited 15th Oct '16 10:07:08 AM by Memers