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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#144251: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:16:20 AM

[up]I posted yesterday. Right here and two posts down also discuss it.

I am pretty much sure those idiots wouldn't try to follow with their terrorist ploy if the political mood of the US didn't encourage such acts.

Similar to England suffering more attacks towards anyone remotely unbritish after the Brexit won.

As I said, calling them deplorables was Hillary being nice on Trump supporters.

edited 15th Oct '16 8:20:30 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144253: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:32:30 AM

This piece is interesting, no less for talking about European style welfare states as not being efficient bulwarks against right wing nationalism.

Also dispelling the myth of the angry poor white man Trumpist.

edited 15th Oct '16 8:33:16 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144254: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:34:54 AM

[up] So the conclusion is that Trumpists are mostly a bunch of racists?

That's...not exactly news to a lot of us.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#144255: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:36:32 AM

Trump supporter behavior: Usually this just results in Southern Strategy denialism. Wasn't those two words what you used to get an instant ban from r/conservative?

5 Boulder, Colorado high schoolers have been expelled after the highly racist contents of a group chat they were part of was exposed.

EDIT: Brexit claims aren't the only thing Nigel Farage is backtracking on. Now he's claiming that he and Trump don't see eye to eye on many things.

edited 15th Oct '16 8:38:17 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#144256: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:45:06 AM

[up][up]The conclusion is that they're not poor, rural whites. They're actually above average in income and are knowingly voting to raise their own taxes (as middle class people) because they care less about their own personal financial well-being than they do about making sure the government keeps non-whites down.

Which is even more horrifying.

Edit: The article also says that we should probably be actually doing something about racism directly, rather than hoping that economic buffers will magically solve it.

edited 15th Oct '16 8:48:28 AM by Clarste

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144257: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:54:08 AM

Non-whites, non-men. It's effectively the ultimate expression of both racism ('they're criminals coming to rob/kill/rape our wimmenz') with classic success entitlement narrative ('so what if he said that, he's rich and entitled to it').

It's basically the same forces catapulting the far right into focus in Europe. The idea that democracy only works if it gives you what you want, and only an ethnically homogenous culture is worthy.

And economics don't fix the problem.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144258: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:55:53 AM

Non-whites, non-men. It's effectively the ultimate expression of both racism ('they're criminals coming to rob/kill/rape our wimmenz')
Isn't it more about "job theft" with them?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#144259: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:56:11 AM

Self perceived poor whites.

Pointing this out because I don't think it matters at all whether these people are actually well off or not, let alone when only comparatively so. If they perceive themselves as worse off then that's all what matters. And if memory serves, they frequently do (incorrectly so).

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144260: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:57:47 AM

I'm not sure what 'doing something about racism directly' really means, considering a good portion of it has a lot more to do with entrenched cultural attitudes rather than any kind of action.

It's not like we can just say 'hey! Stop being racist!'

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#144261: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:59:12 AM

What gets me the most right now...yeah, the deplorables thing was accurate. Just not politically correct. Let's analyze Trump's campaign and style now:

Racism. Incitement to violence. Mocking the disabled. Refusing to publish tax returns. 'Blood coming out of her wherever'. More racism. Mocking prisoners of war. A clearly bogus medical report. Reacting to a terror attack with a tweet saying 'appreciate the congrats for being right'. Mocking women's personal appearance. Lies about 9/11. More racism. Lauding torture - not as a technique for getting information but as an end in itself. Threats to the free press. More incitement to violence. Baseless accusations about electoral fraud. Equivocating about white supremacist support. Speaking in favor of nuclear proliferation. Insinuations about the sitting President. Attacks on a Gold Star family. Bragging about sexual assault. And all of it larded with lie after lie after lie. Not just lies: great, big blatant lies, denying that he said or did things that are indisputably on the record.

All of this is easily sources and irrefutable.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#144262: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:59:39 AM

@ Gilphon: Or stopping Racism by Genocide (which is the Right's fears, BTW).

edited 15th Oct '16 9:00:10 AM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#144263: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:03:22 AM

Self perceived poor whites.

Pointing this out because I don't think it matters at all whether these people are actually well off or not, let alone when only comparatively so. If they perceive themselves as worse off then that's all what matters. And if memory serves, they frequently do (incorrectly so).

No, that's the thing. According to the study cited by the article, pessimism about the economy and their own finances are actually associated with voting for Clinton, even among white people. The poorer they even think they are, the less likely they are to support Trump. Only racism and other isms are associated with favoring Trump.

You're simply restating the myth that the article set out to disprove.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:04:11 AM by Clarste

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#144264: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:04:10 AM

[up][up] I wonder if this is part of why the sex tapes have been such a nail in the coffin for Trump. It's less "He said mean things about women ten years ago" and more "Oh, Crap!, he's always been like this, it's not just an act he think will get votes!"

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#144265: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:05:57 AM

Washington Post on the rise and fall of Ken Bone. Or, "how does something become a Discredited Meme?"

To think all of this could have been averted had he used a throwaway account.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#144266: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:16:19 AM

Up until I read that whole article I was ready to make a 'everyone has their fetishes' debate but yikes. But at least he admits it with class.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:18:13 AM by Memers

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#144267: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:16:23 AM

I will give Ken Bone credit for this, at least; he handled these revelations with a lot more class and grace than most people whose skeletons-in-closets get unearthed do. Especially since we have the case of Trump to compare him to.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144268: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:16:38 AM

@Clarste: The article is interesting, mostly because not that long ago there was another article claiming the exact opposite, written by a man who lived in rural America, stating that things were nihilistically bad for them in those areas and that many of them had been suckered by Trump's rhetoric.

Of course, an article with actual data is easy to take more seriously than one that is essentially a prolonged anecdote, but the contrast between the two is interesting.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#144269: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:20:08 AM

[up][up]Yeah, on one hand that's why people play it safe online, but on the other how he's reacted to what the spotlight taketh away shows a lot more integrity than Trump. Or the alt-right. I don't see the latter two ever admitting that an apology is in order, much less making a sincere one.

EDIT: Inside Higher Education on how the American conservative movement eroded public trust in academia and the press while building up their alternatives.

Well, that would explain the Letter from Nowhere from an unaccredited distance learning college one of the newspapers I occasionally read got.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:23:32 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#144271: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:27:40 AM

[up]

Trump's traveling journalist contingent thinks that the hostility directed at them has been much higher than usual.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144272: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:31:35 AM

I'm tempted to start a betting ring to see if Trump can outdo himself with every new PR disaster. [lol]

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144273: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:44:11 AM

@IHE article: The elephant in the room (lol) with the situation described by the article is that it basically says that the right-wing went "I don't like these findings. Let's create our own scholarly group to validate our ideology".

As in, it was not motivated by a desire to legitimately fact-check an uncomfortable truth to them with a sincere desire to accept that they were possibly wrong, but by a desire to validate beliefs they already held. Or in other words, they had a premise to begin with and interpreted facts to fit with that premise, rather than the other way around, which is the worst thing you could in an intellectual inquiry.

edited 15th Oct '16 9:46:20 AM by Draghinazzo

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#144274: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:53:10 AM

I can't read the article, what happened to Ken Bone?

Inter arma enim silent leges
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#144275: Oct 15th 2016 at 9:58:19 AM

Yeah, it's considered rude to link to a paywall site and not quote the article.


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