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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#144226: Oct 15th 2016 at 3:59:17 AM

So this is a list of Hillary's impression according to internet conspiracy theorists.

I'd find it funnier if it weren't for all the idiots who think these are true.

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#144227: Oct 15th 2016 at 4:32:13 AM

I randomly stumbled onto this article from 1999 about the GOP's attacks on Bill Clinton and holy sh*t things are still the same 17 years later.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#144228: Oct 15th 2016 at 4:42:15 AM

73% of Republican women still want the party to stick by Trump.[1] Apparently most of them actually do think that men just talk like that, as a man I'm deeply insulted by that, they really think we're all sexual predators? Fuck them.

That seems to be the problem here, Republican women think that all men want to commit sexual assault and are okay with it.

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i'm tired, my friend
#144229: Oct 15th 2016 at 4:44:37 AM

When you remember how your average Trump supporters wants America to return to the "good old days" of the '50s, that's much less surprising.

i'm tired, my friend
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#144230: Oct 15th 2016 at 5:02:11 AM

Speaking of sexual misconduct, I stumbled on a (safe) political cartoon about Republicans and "family values" platforms.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#144231: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:06:50 AM

Somebody asked if there was anything Trump could say that would make even his base abandon him?

If the 2:30 mark is of any indication, the answer is no.

i'm tired, my friend
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#144232: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:07:56 AM

[up][up][up][up]For all their whining about misandry the right's view of men offends me far more than the left.

edited 15th Oct '16 6:08:10 AM by Kostya

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#144233: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:15:07 AM

Came from a garden variety African American family so everyone votes/registered Democrat.

Except me who's registered independent because he's too far to the left of the Dems. :P

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144234: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:21:16 AM

Sargon's latest video asserts that Trump, for all his faults, presents a real threat to the more corrupt private interests who have been increasing the gap between rich and poor while Hillary will only maintain that particular status quo if not make it worse. He may be onto something, but he seems to have this "beggars cant be choosers" justification when it comes to making the case in Trump's favor, as if all the potential steps backwards will be worth that one potential step forward.

edited 15th Oct '16 6:26:41 AM by nervmeister

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#144235: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:29:34 AM

Trump and the super wealthy don't get along...but that's mostly because Trump's been trying to get into that club for decades and never managed it. He can't stand to admit the reason they don't like him is because he's a boorish upstart with no taste who has no idea how to use his money properly, and instead pretends that they have something against him.

If Trump puts something in place to knock the super wealthy down, I can guarantee that he would put something else in that would at least attempt to make him the replacement for the super wealthy.

[up][up][up] Yeah, the extreme left tends to say "Men have been raised to be awful and horrible," while the extreme right tends to say "Men can't help being awful, it's entirely biological. One implies that there is a way to deal with it and the other is just "boys will be boys" and a really disturbing scale.

edited 15th Oct '16 6:31:36 AM by Zendervai

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#144236: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:34:13 AM

[up] The exstream left are more "men are inherently evil and should be castrated at birth with their sperm harvested so that children can be born", thing is the exstream social left don't exist outside of social media and a few universities, so they never actually do anything.

The left say that men have been raised to be horrible, there's nothing exstream about that, the exstream left think it's inherent to being male.

edited 15th Oct '16 6:35:19 AM by Silasw

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Lost in Space
#144237: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:38:08 AM

[up][up][up] Sargon is delusional. Trump's slash and burn approach to taxes will enrich the wealthy to a degree unprecedented in our history, and he also plans to tear down regulations, minimum wage laws, and other controls preventing them from abusing workers. It'll be the 1920s all over again.

Men and women are sexual beings who will, all things being equal, desire sex with each other and do it unless prevented with cultural and social barriers. The relationship between them in terms of the power dynamic, however, is entirely a product of culture. Men are not "born predators" and women "born victims"; that is a disgustingly stupid thing to assert as well as a clear case of Internalized Categorism.

edited 15th Oct '16 6:40:43 AM by Fighteer

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144238: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:45:52 AM

[up]Sargon's not delusional. Short-sighted perhaps, as Zendervai suggests, as his observation of Trump threatening the existing power structure doesn't take into account what he may do afterwards.

edited 15th Oct '16 6:46:18 AM by nervmeister

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Student of Story
#144239: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:52:21 AM

Sargon's latest video asserts that Trump, for all his faults, presents a real threat to the more corrupt private interests who have been increasing the gap between rich and poor while Hillary will only maintain that particular status quo if not make it worse. He may be onto something, but he seems to have this "beggars cant be choosers" justification when it comes to making the case in Trump's favor, as if all the potential steps backwards will be worth that one potential step forward.

Both left and ring wing tax analysis agree that Trump will give a massive tax cut to the rich and raise taxes on the middle class. Link 1 Link 2 Link 3

The tax plans of Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton flow from almost, but not entirely, opposing philosophies of what’s ailing the economy and American workers. They overlap in a few small but important ways, most notably their focus on working parents.

And they cater to very different groups of taxpayers and voters, in both political and economic terms.

Clinton’s plan soaks the rich, rewards low-income parents and raises a lot of money to fund new social programs such as universal pre-K education.

Trump’s plan benefits corporations, the rich, upper-middle-class families, the middle class writ large and the poor, in roughly that declining order. It also helps small businesses, though it’s not clear by how much.

The Trump plan blows a hole in the federal budget that only massive budget cuts and/or rapid economic growth could patch. Clinton’s plan, when coupled with her spending ambitions, would leave the budget deficit about where it is today.

The Trump campaign site, for instance, promises that his plan will cut taxes for a married couple with two kids, $50,000 in earnings, and $8,000 in child care expenses by a whopping 35 percent. Not bad, huh? Even though the plan concentrates benefits among the rich, it’s hard for a middle-class family getting annoyed at their tax bill falling by over a third.

The only problem: This is a lie.

According to a new paper by NYU Law’s Lily Batchelder, such a family would only see their taxes go down by $93, or 0.2 percent of their income. Trump is exaggerating the size of the cut dramatically.

But it’s worse than that. Three recent changes to Trump’s plan, which limit deductions and increase rates relative to the original version, combine to generate significant tax increases for wide swaths of the middle class. Batchelder conservatively estimates that 25 million individuals and 15 million children will see their taxes go up. That's about 20 percent of households with minor children at home, and includes over half of all single parents.

The Trump campaign has, naturally, vociferously disputed Batchelder’s findings. But her rebuttals to the campaign’s complaints are persuasive, and analysts at the right-leaning Tax Foundation have come to similar conclusions.

As the evidence stands currently, it appears that Trump has, by accident more than anything, found himself with a tax plan that would raise taxes meaningfully on many middle-class families.

Mr. Trump wants to repeal the estate tax, lower the top individual tax rate from 39.6% to 33%, repeal taxes on high-income households that took effect in 2013 and lower business taxes. That plan would increase the after-tax income of the top 1% of households by between 10.2% and 16%, according to the conservative-leaning Tax Foundation.

“Trickle-down did not work. It got us into the mess we were in, in 2008 and 2009,” Mrs. Clinton said, referring to the idea that tax cuts on high-income households can spur economic growth. “Slashing taxes on the wealthy hasn’t worked. And a lot of really smart, wealthy people know that.”

The connection between the George W. Bush tax cuts and the financial crisis is tenuous, though the tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 obviously didn’t prevent the recession. Democrats more typically point to the economic growth after the 1993 and 2013 tax increases as evidence that tax hikes don’t harm the economy and look to the recent Kansas policy changes as proof that tax cuts don’t create economic booms.

Mr. Trump didn’t put up much of a challenge to the idea that upper-income families would fare well under his plan. He harked back to the economic growth after President Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts in the early 1980s.

“I’m really calling for major jobs, because the wealthy are going create tremendous jobs,” he said. “They’re going to expand their companies. They’re going to do a tremendous job.”

Trump seeks to undo all Wall St. regulation that has been adopted since the crash. Link

Trump, by contrast, has promised to make “dismantling” Dodd-Frank the cornerstone of his regulatory approach. He’s also promised a short-term halt on all new rule writing by financial regulatory agencies once he’s in office, “so our businesses can reinvest in the economy.”

Trump also might be offering an enormous tax cut to hedge fund and private equity managers by allowing what’s known as “pass-through” income to be taxed at a low rate of 15 percent.

His campaign is definitely proposing a big cut in the corporate income tax rate — down to 15 percent. His campaign is also definitely proposing a big cut in the top individual income tax rate, down to 25 percent for labor income and 20 percent for capital gains and dividends.

Depending on whom he is talking to, however, Trump sometimes says that business income amassed by limited liability partnerships will also be taxed at the 15 percent rate. There is about $1 trillion worth of difference between the two versions of Trump’s plan, and he hasn’t really bothered to clear it up.

The main appeal of giving LL Ps a very low tax rate to Trump is probably that real estate deals are frequently structured in this way, so Trump would be delivering an enormous income tax cut to himself. But hedge funds and private equity funds are also normally structured this way, so many Wall Street types would enjoy it too.

Donald Trump is an unusual figure in any number of ways, from his Twitter feuds to his views on several issues. He breaks clearly with GOP orthodoxy on trade and foreign policy, while seeming somewhat more open to LGBTQ rights and even a few forms of gun regulation.

His views on finance, however, are perfectly orthodox Republican Party doctrine.

Dismantling Dodd-Frank is straight out of the Paul Ryan policy blueprint for House Republicans; it’s also the approach endorsed by Senate Banking Committee Chair Richard Shelby and Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell. More broadly, this was a point of absolute common ground between Trump and his GOP primary rivals, with everyone from Ted Cruz to Jeb Bush to John Kasich agreeing that a rollback of new post-crisis rules is the correct path forward

Sargon doesn't know shit. Find other perspectives to listen to.

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#144240: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:54:08 AM

[up][up] Trump plans to hand the wealthy, on Day One of his administration, everything they've put so much influence and money into politics to obtain for the past seventy years. They won't need to lobby afterwards. Sargon is delusional.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144241: Oct 15th 2016 at 6:56:14 AM

During a recent rally, President Obama even pointed out that it's silly to believe that someone who spent his whole life pretending he's part of the global elite is now fighting the global elite.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#144242: Oct 15th 2016 at 7:01:34 AM

Trump voters won't care: they already see all criticism of him as some sort of liberal conspiracy to keep white people down. Other people don't care either: they already see Trump as a disgusting monster embodying everything wrong with modern society.

So... I'm not sure who would care at this point.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#144243: Oct 15th 2016 at 7:02:11 AM

Sargon's complete inability to research anything beyond 5 minutes on Wikipedia has meant that he has missed a rather important detail: Trump is the corrupting private interest. Except even worse, as he's used the system repeatedly to his advantage to maneuver out of fixes other corporate staff or directors would have resigned in disgrace over. Instead, he let stockholders pay his bill.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144244: Oct 15th 2016 at 7:02:12 AM

[up][up] There are apparently people who are still undecided. Somehow.

[up] Sargon has a lot of nerve decrying the problems of the economy and fraud considering some of his past antics.

edited 15th Oct '16 7:03:53 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#144245: Oct 15th 2016 at 7:04:14 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Thanks for showing me that. Just read all of it, and I can see what you mean. So even the more disreputable people at the top wont even take that bad of a hit if he wins, ay? Well, that doesn't exactly seem like, in his words, "a good deal".

edited 15th Oct '16 7:05:53 AM by nervmeister

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#144246: Oct 15th 2016 at 7:16:45 AM

In contrast to Trump rallies where protestors are thrown out and violence of assumed, when Obama encounters a heckler/protester, he heckles right back:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/obama-to-pro-trump-heckler-at-clinton-rally-leave-unless-youre-paid-to-be-here-everybodys-got-to-make-a-living/

edited 15th Oct '16 7:16:54 AM by sgamer82

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#144247: Oct 15th 2016 at 7:50:53 AM

So, The Nuisance Committee has put up a billboard attacking Trump. By likening him to an incompetent Overwatch player.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#144248: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:01:22 AM

@Comedy Central video.

My sides are on orbit. But seriously though, the amount of ignorance by die hard Trump supporters is mind bogging, "one man's sexual assault is another man's flirtation", with people who think like that supporting Trump, one of the biggest arguments against voting for Trump is that by voting for Trump it also means validating his supporters' behavior.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144249: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:03:38 AM

[up] While most of us decried HRC calling half of Trump voters deplorable, every day they prove her right. The only mistake, as many have pointed out, was underestimating how many of them are deplorable.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#144250: Oct 15th 2016 at 8:11:34 AM

Has the foiled Kansas bombing been discussed yet? I don't think I saw it posted.

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