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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144201: Oct 14th 2016 at 10:40:57 PM

My immediate family are generally all for Hillary, and Trump support among my relatives is generally limited to some of the in-laws and old folks who lived through the Cultural Revolution or were close to people who did, and bought hard into rightwing propaganda because of the Republicans' hardline stance against communism. It's not a reason to excuse their lack of critical judgement, but I can see why they think the way they do.

I have this uncle who's a weirdo in that he actually likes and respects Hillary as an individual (or at least, the portrait Republicans paint of her, or maybe he just believes she's a DINO and thinks that's a good thing) but is voting Republican because he hates the Democratic Party that surrounds her and liberalism in general, despite being Asian and not exactly wealthy.

edited 14th Oct '16 10:47:40 PM by AlleyOop

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#144202: Oct 14th 2016 at 10:45:56 PM

IIRC, my mom is of the opinion that Clinton "has gotten away with some stuff that she shouldn't have" (I declined asking for specifics), but that Trump is worse by an order of magnitude. My dad, last I was aware, is solidly in the "they're both equally terrible (and Sanders would've been even worse)" camp. We mostly avoided talking politics at our family reunion this summer, but at least one of my uncles expressed a severe disdain for President Obama ("worst president ever", "ruined the country" or something like that).

edited 14th Oct '16 11:04:18 PM by Blueeyedrat

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144203: Oct 14th 2016 at 10:49:23 PM

I have Trump supporters in my family. ;-;

Do not obey in advance.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#144204: Oct 14th 2016 at 10:50:41 PM

AFAIK there are no Trump supporters in my immediate family

I've held conversations with exactly two Trump supporters

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#144205: Oct 14th 2016 at 10:54:33 PM

My parents are both stridently anti-Trump, though my mom's ardently pro-Hillary, while my step-dad was one of Bernie's devotees.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144206: Oct 14th 2016 at 10:58:52 PM

Everyone in my family hates Trump, as far as I can tell. I don't know how they are voting, or if they are even voting at all though. Me? I'm voting HRC and a straight Democratic ticket.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144207: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:01:37 PM

/has no trump supporters in the family.

Like, when we're talking about my very left-wing father, that's to be expected, as it is from my Vegan Sister, but he's also getting zero sympathy from my normally-very-right-wing Grandmother, my just-recently-became-old-enough-to-understand-politics Cousin or my other Cousin who has crazy monarchist views.

So my family's doing well.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#144208: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:03:06 PM

I have extensively conversed with exactly one Trump supporter - a tutor who works at my university. I don't believe she particularly likes him, but she basically believes the Clintons to be Satan, so yeah, there's that. Fortunately, she doesn't bring up politics on her own initiative - I've asked her about her opinions both times we've talked about this - and she's totally fine with me having my own opinion, so we're able to chat somewhat cordially otherwise.

(Incidentally, when I asked her where she got her information on the Clintons, she mentioned a book that I believe she said was written by a former Secret Service agent. Anyone here know what she might have been talking about?)

As for my professors, two of them are definitely Hillary supporters - one I know because I saw a Hillary sticker on her office door on top of an anti-Trump cartoon from the New Yorker, and another because I actually talked politics briefly with her (she's basically the same as me - voted for Sanders in the primary, Hillary was the second and essentially only other choice). As for the other two, I don't know for certain if they're voting for Hillary, but I know they're not voting for Trump - one said that she was a liberal at one point, and I overheard a conversation she was having where she said she would never vote for Trump, and the other I know well enough to know that he would never vote for Trump (plus, one of my other professors relayed some comments that he made that were definitely anti-Trump).

Oh God! Natural light!
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#144209: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:08:41 PM

One of the Trump supporters who I talked to was a kind of cynical libertarian types (he described it as "laissez-faire politics") who preferred Trump because "at least he he sticks to his own opinions" (never mind the fact that my friend on I called said opinions out for being shitty opinions). We got into a debate about the Muslim ban which made me kind of angry.

The other guy seemed to be an alright guy from what I could tell...just a bit of a mystery.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144210: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:09:23 PM

Honestly, at this point I'm more annoyed at "undecided" people than people ardently supporting Trump.

Undecided people apparently think it's a difficult choice between a probable rapist, extremely racist snake-oil salesman manbaby with no business sense, no respect for anyone or anything versus...at worst, a garden variety politician.

How clueless and privileged do you have to be to think that the two are in any way comparable, to not see how dangerous it is to speak as if they are, and how much harder they'd be making life for anyone who isn't a straight white male.

edited 14th Oct '16 11:11:54 PM by Draghinazzo

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#144211: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:10:05 PM

How clueless and privileged do you have to be to think that the two are in any way comparable, to not see how dangerous it is to speak as if they are, and how much harder they'd be making life for anyone who isn't a straight white male.

Honestly I'm fast running out of respect for people who are undecided this time around.

edited 14th Oct '16 11:11:20 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144212: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:16:24 PM

Like not that I necessarily respect most people supporting Trump (I'd have a bit more sympathy for anyone supporting him out of ignorance and desperation due to their legit shitty lives), but it's like...they already made their bed, you know? I don't feel like this is an election one should be undecided on unless they just don't understand what's really at stake.

If this were any other election with a garden variety republican or democrat, maybe, but not this one.

edited 14th Oct '16 11:17:17 PM by Draghinazzo

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#144213: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:22:21 PM

I forget if I mentioned it here a while ago, but my parents were both lifelong Republicans, if only due to the one-two punch of Carter's presidency and Reagan.

My dad still wants his low taxes, but knows full well that Trump is a moron and nutjob, so he's basically left without a party, at least for the presidential race. My mom, on the other hand, was a "compassionate conservative," but is now so utterly disgusted by Trump and the Republican party that she jumped ship to Sanders in the primary, and has now settled for Clinton. My sister was for Clinton for the start, and although I feel she might have bought a little too easily into whole "Bernie Bro" thing, there wasn't really any conflict between her and me (voted for Sanders in primary, now voting for Clinton).

Now, if this dynamic is repeating in what used to be conservative suburban households across the country, this election is already over.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144214: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:26:54 PM

I mean, I feel like a lot of undecided are people like Eschaton's father- People who wouldn't normally consider voting anything but Republican, but finding themselves unable to defend Trump.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#144215: Oct 14th 2016 at 11:30:48 PM

Yeah, not to think anyone can be complacent about this, but I'm reasonably confident Trump is done at this point. The tape scandal has irrevocably damaged his campaign and probably swung things around enough that Clinton will be able to win somewhat comfortably.

People shouldn't take that for granted and neglect voting, but I think many people are more concerned about the after-effects of Trump's campaign. It's exposed a lot of nasty cracks in the popular narrative of a post-racial America, and racial tensions are still going to be running pretty high for a while most likely.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#144216: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:26:55 AM

The Undecideds kind of annoy me for all the reasons already mentioned here. Never got the appeal of Ken Bone myself.

Disgusted, but not surprised
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#144217: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:41:03 AM

(Incidentally, when I asked her where she got her information on the Clintons, she mentioned a book that I believe she said was written by a former Secret Service agent. Anyone here know what she might have been talking about?)

I'm pretty sure I know who she's probably talking about, but their name escapes me ATM.

@Family and politics: No one in my family supports Trump (Or any Republican for that matter), but the Hillary support is generally grudging.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#144218: Oct 15th 2016 at 12:42:49 AM

I'm the only Clinton supporter out of six siblings. From the extended family, it's just me, one grandpa, and one lukewarm aunt.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#144219: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:12:09 AM

Mother is registered Democrat and was Hil from the start. Father isn't a citizen by choice, but he likes Trump by virtue of being brainwashed by his close friends.

EDIT- As for myself, registered independent going for Hil.

edited 15th Oct '16 1:12:39 AM by FFShinra

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#144220: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:15:24 AM

My whole family pretty much was Reagan Republican till Bill Clinton and mostly went dem or undecided.

I got a crazy uncle though that is a Rush fan and he calls him 'the man', constantly goes 'the man says...' and such.

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#144221: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:26:55 AM

Ken Bone is a meme at this point. He's not to be taken seriously.

[down] As do I. He's the one thing keeping my family from being completely divided on politics.

edited 15th Oct '16 1:54:49 AM by golgothasArisen

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#144222: Oct 15th 2016 at 1:48:49 AM

Aww, I kinda like Ken Bone.

As for myself, I'm registered independent, and I'm never voting for Trump.

Do not obey in advance.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#144224: Oct 15th 2016 at 3:43:36 AM

Outside the US, the people in Brazil who see Trump favorably are not that different from the US and the sheer majority of them supports out version of Trump, which is a mix of Putin and Duterte.

There is of course the conspiracy theorist, anti-globalist (whatever that really means), anti-PC and the people who think Trump is an entrepreneur (yeah right), which happen to be obnoxiously loud enough to get me worried about our presidential elections in 2018.

[up]Paywall!

edited 15th Oct '16 3:44:27 AM by AngelusNox

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#144225: Oct 15th 2016 at 3:51:48 AM

It is time someone got to the bottom of everything that people say about Hillary Clinton. Who is she? More importantly, WHAT is she? I have compiled the following timeline of her life by combining all the actual theories about her. When lined up together, they form quite a biography.

Before Time, Before the Earth Was Made, Before Matter and Being and History: Hillary Clinton (Lucifer, Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, Prince of Darkness, Satan, She Whose Many Names the Cats Scream in the Night) is cast out of heaven for overweening hubris. She is condemned to lie in eternal torment in a lake of fire surrounded by her fallen angels, or, alternatively, to run for a major office while female. For thousands of years she lies outside time, smelling of sulfur, before deciding to undertake the second option.

Oct. 26, 1947: Hillary Clinton, a robot, is constructed by Saul Alinsky, then slipped into a bassinet and delivered to the Rodham house, where it stores its Six Human, Relatable Memories of squeegeeing, family life and honest toil.

Fall 1965: The young Hillary Clinton is replaced by a new model, this one with glasses. It retains only one of the memories, the squeegeeing. It attends Wellesley, where it decorates itself with spectacles and what conservative commentators will later describe as ONE VAST AND HIDEOUS EYEBROW LIKE A CATERPILLAR IN WHICH MANY WELSH MINERS COULD BE TRAPPED AND LOST AS IN A HORRID, THORNY FOREST.

Spring 1969: Hillary Clinton graduates from Wellesley, although first she gets in touch with Alinsky and his mentor, Satan. She fails to mention at the first meeting that she, too, is Satan, and then once they know each other it seems too awkward to bring it up. As a consequence, the Devil mentors Herself for many decades, wasting everyone’s time and effort. She also founds the Islamic State. She will toil for many years in secret on this passion project, keeping it even from Bill, whom she is about to meet. Once, during his presidency, he will ask, “Is there anything I should know about, Hills?” and she will shrug and say, “Nah.” A bit confusingly, she also begins to fight the Islamic State, which she will spend her entire adult life doing.

Fall 1969: At Yale Law School, Hillary meets Bill Clinton, who courts her by staring at her from across the room while their eyes speak the Old, Dead Language of the Darkness Beyond Worlds. She is also a lesbian, who, interestingly, does not let this dissuade her from pursuing numerous heterosexual affairs, for which, although frigid, she has an inexhaustible appetite. It is at this time that she acquires her witch powers (she is also a witch), although her familiar, the cat Socks, will not manifest until the Clinton administration, when she will use him to contact Eleanor Roosevelt.

1969 to present: Hillary accomplishes nothing. Every time she appears to have made progress on a project or contributed to an achievement of any kind, she carefully arranges things in such a way that no one will give her any credit, unless, of course, the thing is negative, in which case she will turn out to be solely responsible.

1975: Bill and Hillary wed. They possess a unique marriage in which both have full and perfect knowledge of the other party’s activities at all times.

1980: Bill Clinton loses the governorship. In consultation with the team of Illuminati, demons and robo-Hitlers who have been supervising Hillary Clinton’s progress thus far, her robotic shell is replaced with another, different one that does not wear glasses and is blonder. The people of Arkansas consider this an improvement, although they complain about its inability to bake.

1992: Bill Clinton is elected president. The era of general prosperity that follows only serves to confirm the fact that Hillary Clinton is the Antichrist (in addition to being a witch, a robot and Satan. Yes, ladies, you can have it all.)

1998: Bill Clinton is impeached. Hillary Clinton goes berserk, throwing lamps, cursing and setting small fires with her eyes. Everyone who wanders into a certain wing of the White House complains of a buzzing sound, like a thousand flies, and a persistent stench of sulfur that will not dissipate. The cat Socks disappears, and the shadowy form of a giant feline in an overcoat is seen stalking the streets near the Treasury before yowling and disappearing into the mist. Beavers attack the cherry blossom trees.

2000: Hillary Clinton is elected senator from New York. Unlike any other senator before or since, she is given a special Deciding Vote that allows her to pass any legislation she wishes (a fact Donald Trump will call attention to during the second debate). Oddly, she chooses never to exercise this power, except to force us into war with Iraq (necessary to support the Islamic State, her pet project). Any reforms or bills that you wanted that did not pass during her years in the Senate were her fault.

2001: Pictures show Rudy Giuliani standing next to Hillary Clinton at ground zero, but he insists years later that she was not there and that he never saw her. This is obviously witchcraft.

2008: Hillary Clinton and her friend invent the birther movement, which Donald Trump will spend the next eight years trying to quash. She loses the presidency to Fellow Antichrist Barack Obama after a secret game of rock/paper/scissors/thousand-razor-sharp-tentacles but is glad for the opportunity to become secretary of state and give her fledgling Islamic State a chance to soar. She has also been murdering people every year — just, like, constantly murdering them — but no one says anything about it since she is female.

2012: Hillary Clinton deliberately orchestrates even MORE murders and treasons this year, most prominently in Benghazi. This is also the year when she pens numerous smoking-gun emails, explaining her deep loathing for the American people, desire to ruin the country, complete incompetence in making deals, deathly illness, inability to get anything done, the fact that everything that has transpired in the United States in her lifetime has been the result of her ingenious and diabolical schemes, and how these statements are not contradictory. Unfortunately, she deletes these VERY carefully.

2013: Hillary Clinton vanishes into hibernation to meditate and shed her lizard-skin. (She is also a lizard-person, in addition to being a Nameless, Timeless Evil.) Just to add difficulty to her next run as president, she decides to cultivate several Very Serious Medical Ailments, including but not limited to at least eight strokes, dropsy and the King’s Evil. This is hard to pull off because she is a robot, but she is committed.

2015: Hillary Clinton resumes her quest for the presidency. First, though, she meets with an International Banking Conglomerate to solidify the plan for the New World Order.

2016: Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination by deliberately suppressing the votes of all Bernie Sanders supporters. Frankly, it is a miracle we even know there WERE such things as Sanders supporters. Also, she orchestrates the murder of Justice Antonin Scalia. She activates a spell cast on Donald Trump decades before at his wedding, which causes everything that comes out of his mouth to sound like the racist, sexist ramblings of a deranged conspiracy theorist. Trump tries valiantly to lay all her activities bare to the American people, but people cannot hear his truth through Hillary Clinton’s powerful cloud of witchcraft, which she uses to summon women everywhere whom he has wronged.

2017: Hillary Clinton takes office. Her first act is to replace the entire Supreme Court with a series of corporations cleverly disguised beneath large robes. She sheds her robot-witch exterior and resumes her beastly form, flying up over the White House, engulfing everything beneath in a deep shadow, and ending the American way of life as we know it.

Everyone was right about her all along.


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