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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143851: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:21:39 PM

I don't exactly see this speech attracting new voters, thankfully.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#143852: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:21:44 PM

How the fuck does Trump get compared to Jesus of all people? I don't think there's ever been more of an Antichrist figure, ever.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#143853: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:25:35 PM

Ah. Found the comment. It was from this guy Bill Mitchell who is like Trump's Baghdad Bob. He tweeted "Jesus was perfect and the media of his day had him crucified." I'm actually slightly surprised. I thought I may have been exaggerating in terms of the reference to Crucifixion.

Edit- Which doesn't answer your question. Just to note that the Trump campaign likes handing out whistles.

edited 13th Oct '16 12:26:52 PM by Hodor2

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#143854: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:27:22 PM

Because Obama is the antichrist and Trump is going to upend the satanic global conspiracy by backing out of NATO and the UN and so on.

I wish I was kidding.

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143855: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:31:20 PM

I'm sure that with enough tortured arithmatic, someone could get the numbers from Donald's financal statements/tax returns reduced to the Number of the Beast.

edited 13th Oct '16 12:35:08 PM by Elle

YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#143856: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:31:35 PM

To be fair, I don't think the actual Antichrist is supposed to get as widespread a backlash as Trump is getting until he's already actually in power.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#143857: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:33:56 PM

I think I'm going to pull away from this thread until the results are in. I'm sick of Trump. Literally: hearing his name gives me nausea. It fills me with fear, disgust, shame, and horror.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143858: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:35:25 PM

Once again, I wonder why the US Greens party isn't following the example of the much more successful Greens over here in Australia, who are generally pretty damn sane, and heed actual science over fringe nonsense (it helps that the current leader is a doctor and a pretty swell bloke). Granted, the different political system over here is a big factor in that success, but the Australian Greens are able to resonate with the general public enough to be consistently the the third most powerful party in parliament.

edited 13th Oct '16 12:39:33 PM by Cronosonic

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143859: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:45:19 PM

[up] Because the American Greens don't actually care. It's all a big ego trip for them.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#143860: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:51:14 PM

Also, the conventional soft Greens in America are typically Democrats. The reason the card-carrying American Greens are such loons is because Big Tent politics makes the existence of these third parties obsolete in any context, except an ideological one. The Green VP nominee, Ajamu Baraka, is basically a connoisseur of fringe politics — he's dabbled in all sorts of crazy shit, from anti-GMO protesting to Holocaust denial.

edited 13th Oct '16 12:53:48 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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Lost in Space
#143861: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:53:59 PM

Right, there's no need for American voters who align with the views of the Green parties in other nations to form their own party, because the Democrats broadly represent their views.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#143862: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:54:09 PM

Actually, I think the operative word is "Parliament". The way U.S. government is structured is to promote a two-party system, with the result that the parties are a pretty big tent and anyone outside of that tent is likely to have a focus on a single issue area and/or more extreme positions on issues.

Whereas in a parliamentary system, you can havea lot of smaller parties with various focuses/degrees of Right and Left-ness, which work closely with other parties on the same ideological specturm. On the other hand, you also get Neo-Nazi parties having seats, so there's some downsides.

[nja]

edited 13th Oct '16 12:54:25 PM by Hodor2

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#143863: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:54:17 PM

There were media that could crucify Jesus back then? Huh. If memory serves, the Bible says no such thing and neither does actual history. Double fail there for the Evil Dog.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#143864: Oct 13th 2016 at 12:54:45 PM

It makes "sense" when you substitute "Jews" for "media".

edited 13th Oct '16 12:55:38 PM by Hodor2

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#143865: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:00:37 PM

Oh for Pete's sake... conspiracy theories are supposed to be relegated to forums and YT videos on the internet. They're not supposed to be touted as fact by a presidential candidate!

TFE...

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#143866: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:04:25 PM

"Actually, I think the operative word is "Parliament". The way U.S. government is structured is to promote a two-party system, with the result that the parties are a pretty big tent and anyone outside of that tent is likely to have a focus on a single issue area and/or more extreme positions on issues.

Whereas in a parliamentary system, you can havea lot of smaller parties with various focuses/degrees of Right and Left-ness, which work closely with other parties on the same ideological specturm. On the other hand, you also get Neo-Nazi parties having seats, so there's some downsides."

That's reductionist regarding Parliaments, which typically only have strong third parties if you have strong regionalist tendencies in the electorate. What really causes Two-Party systems is First-Past-The-Post elections, and despite the Western world's love-hate relationship with that system, at least through it, we're not left with loony Single-Issue Wonk parties and fractious coalitions that topple with the slightest shift in political fortune.

edited 13th Oct '16 1:05:17 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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V
#143867: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:08:04 PM

[up]

What really causes Two-Party systems is First-Past-The-Post elections, and despite the Western world's love-hate relationship with that system, at least through it, we're not left with loony Single-Issue Wonk parties and fractious coalitions that topple with the slightest shift in political fortune.

Or Governments that don't get formed at all (as happened in Belgium and is happening in Spain).

Keep Rolling On
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#143868: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:12:52 PM

that vaccines cause autism, that GM Os are poisonous, that alternative medicine is anything other than dolled up quackery, that power lines cause cancer,

Erm, I don't like this list, because it blends together ideas that are total BS with zero scientific grounds (power lines causing cancer and vaccines causing autism) with arguments that are caricatures of actual issues.

There are things to discuss about GMOs, but it tends to be swept under the rug by dismissing any argument as "made by these Green loonies who think GMO are a tool of the devil". It's similar to the use of "feminazis" to immediately stop any discussion about feminism.

As for alternative medicine, again, there is good and bad in here. I know quite a few people with health issues who got better after seeing a magnetizer while "real" medicine didn't work. I have no idea what the physiological and psychological parts are, but if traditional medicine can actually make some people's life better, then it automatically has more legitimacy than the antivaxxers BS. Which doesn't mean that the kind of crap Dr Oz promotes is worth anything, but it's not only "dolled up quackery".

edited 13th Oct '16 1:22:26 PM by Julep

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143869: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:14:39 PM

[up][up][up][up]Mhm.

At this point, I'm not afraid of a Trump presidency anymore. I'm confident that he'll lose.

What I'm worried about is that the Republicans will feel they have to start playing to Trump's base. That the lesson they take from this is that he lost because he was a buffoon and serial sexual assaultist. That someone who touts similar rhetoric without constantly shooting himself in the foot could win.

So when I hear Trump continuing to spout conspiracy theories, and encourage the 'lock her up' stuff, I find it deeply worrying.

Because to me, that looks like it's setting the stage for doubling down the stuff that made it hard for Obama to get anything done. It looks like Clinton's going to end up dealing with a GOP-controlled congress that's even more unwilling to cooperate, lest they draw the ire of their base.

And what really rankles me is that Trump isn't doing this out of any kind of principle. He's doing it because he's a man who hates to be seen to lose and is about to lose on the most public stage in the world. He throws out desperate attacks in some vain hope that they're turn things around- or, failing that, that it'll look like he didn't lose because of any mistakes on his part. That he lost because the system was rigged against him. And so his poisons the minds of his base against the country to protect nothing but his ego. So he noticeably worsens the entire country because he can't stand to seem weak.

It's not about whether or not he'll win the election anymore. It's about how much of the country he'll drag down with him.

edited 13th Oct '16 1:15:35 PM by Gilphon

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#143870: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:19:24 PM

Yeah. And besides that, I am kind of worried about some degree of violence at the polls and subsequent violent responses by supporters if/when Trump loses. Not well organized, because nothing about Trump's campaign is well organized, but that doesn't make it any better to people affected.

edited 13th Oct '16 1:22:17 PM by Hodor2

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143871: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:20:29 PM

And he's likely being egged on by Bannon who actually wants the establishment pulled down. I do believe he's very much a Wormtongue in Donald's inner circle except that taking him away wouldn't turn Donald into a King Theoden..

edited 13th Oct '16 1:24:26 PM by Elle

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#143872: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:27:21 PM

https://twitter.com/jenkirkman/status/786344883158069249

I felt that burn all the way from here.

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#143873: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:36:23 PM

Trump's behavior really seems analogous to Hitler's during those last months of World War II. Seeing himself as a tragic hero who was betrayed by his supporters, he deliberately opts for a scorched earth doctrine in order to take those who failed him with him.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#143875: Oct 13th 2016 at 1:47:04 PM

[up]dont be silly, he will fake his death and escape to Argentinatongue

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