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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Ah. Found the comment. It was from this guy Bill Mitchell who is like Trump's Baghdad Bob. He tweeted "Jesus was perfect and the media of his day had him crucified." I'm actually slightly surprised. I thought I may have been exaggerating in terms of the reference to Crucifixion.
Edit- Which doesn't answer your question. Just to note that the Trump campaign likes handing out whistles.
edited 13th Oct '16 12:26:52 PM by Hodor2
Once again, I wonder why the US Greens party isn't following the example of the much more successful Greens over here in Australia, who are generally pretty damn sane, and heed actual science over fringe nonsense (it helps that the current leader is a doctor and a pretty swell bloke). Granted, the different political system over here is a big factor in that success, but the Australian Greens are able to resonate with the general public enough to be consistently the the third most powerful party in parliament.
edited 13th Oct '16 12:39:33 PM by Cronosonic
Also, the conventional soft Greens in America are typically Democrats. The reason the card-carrying American Greens are such loons is because Big Tent politics makes the existence of these third parties obsolete in any context, except an ideological one. The Green VP nominee, Ajamu Baraka, is basically a connoisseur of fringe politics — he's dabbled in all sorts of crazy shit, from anti-GMO protesting to Holocaust denial.
edited 13th Oct '16 12:53:48 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Right, there's no need for American voters who align with the views of the Green parties in other nations to form their own party, because the Democrats broadly represent their views.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Actually, I think the operative word is "Parliament". The way U.S. government is structured is to promote a two-party system, with the result that the parties are a pretty big tent and anyone outside of that tent is likely to have a focus on a single issue area and/or more extreme positions on issues.
Whereas in a parliamentary system, you can havea lot of smaller parties with various focuses/degrees of Right and Left-ness, which work closely with other parties on the same ideological specturm. On the other hand, you also get Neo-Nazi parties having seats, so there's some downsides.
edited 13th Oct '16 12:54:25 PM by Hodor2
There were media that could crucify Jesus back then? Huh. If memory serves, the Bible says no such thing and neither does actual history. Double fail there for the Evil Dog.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman"Actually, I think the operative word is "Parliament". The way U.S. government is structured is to promote a two-party system, with the result that the parties are a pretty big tent and anyone outside of that tent is likely to have a focus on a single issue area and/or more extreme positions on issues.
Whereas in a parliamentary system, you can havea lot of smaller parties with various focuses/degrees of Right and Left-ness, which work closely with other parties on the same ideological specturm. On the other hand, you also get Neo-Nazi parties having seats, so there's some downsides."
That's reductionist regarding Parliaments, which typically only have strong third parties if you have strong regionalist tendencies in the electorate. What really causes Two-Party systems is First-Past-The-Post elections, and despite the Western world's love-hate relationship with that system, at least through it, we're not left with loony Single-Issue Wonk parties and fractious coalitions that topple with the slightest shift in political fortune.
edited 13th Oct '16 1:05:17 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Or Governments that don't get formed at all (as happened in Belgium and is happening in Spain).
Keep Rolling OnErm, I don't like this list, because it blends together ideas that are total BS with zero scientific grounds (power lines causing cancer and vaccines causing autism) with arguments that are caricatures of actual issues.
There are things to discuss about GMOs, but it tends to be swept under the rug by dismissing any argument as "made by these Green loonies who think GMO are a tool of the devil". It's similar to the use of "feminazis" to immediately stop any discussion about feminism.
As for alternative medicine, again, there is good and bad in here. I know quite a few people with health issues who got better after seeing a magnetizer while "real" medicine didn't work. I have no idea what the physiological and psychological parts are, but if traditional medicine can actually make some people's life better, then it automatically has more legitimacy than the antivaxxers BS. Which doesn't mean that the kind of crap Dr Oz promotes is worth anything, but it's not only "dolled up quackery".
edited 13th Oct '16 1:22:26 PM by Julep
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Mhm.
At this point, I'm not afraid of a Trump presidency anymore. I'm confident that he'll lose.
What I'm worried about is that the Republicans will feel they have to start playing to Trump's base. That the lesson they take from this is that he lost because he was a buffoon and serial sexual assaultist. That someone who touts similar rhetoric without constantly shooting himself in the foot could win.
So when I hear Trump continuing to spout conspiracy theories, and encourage the 'lock her up' stuff, I find it deeply worrying.
Because to me, that looks like it's setting the stage for doubling down the stuff that made it hard for Obama to get anything done. It looks like Clinton's going to end up dealing with a GOP-controlled congress that's even more unwilling to cooperate, lest they draw the ire of their base.
And what really rankles me is that Trump isn't doing this out of any kind of principle. He's doing it because he's a man who hates to be seen to lose and is about to lose on the most public stage in the world. He throws out desperate attacks in some vain hope that they're turn things around- or, failing that, that it'll look like he didn't lose because of any mistakes on his part. That he lost because the system was rigged against him. And so his poisons the minds of his base against the country to protect nothing but his ego. So he noticeably worsens the entire country because he can't stand to seem weak.
It's not about whether or not he'll win the election anymore. It's about how much of the country he'll drag down with him.
edited 13th Oct '16 1:15:35 PM by Gilphon
Yeah. And besides that, I am kind of worried about some degree of violence at the polls and subsequent violent responses by supporters if/when Trump loses. Not well organized, because nothing about Trump's campaign is well organized, but that doesn't make it any better to people affected.
edited 13th Oct '16 1:22:17 PM by Hodor2
https://twitter.com/jenkirkman/status/786344883158069249
I felt that burn all the way from here.
New Survey coming this weekend!

I don't exactly see this speech attracting new voters, thankfully.
Disgusted, but not surprised