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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#143801: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:19:39 AM

Being irritated that college aged girls are having "babby's first feminism" is kind of dense. They'll grow up eventually and it's not like you were any smarter at that age.

A lot of people complaining about social group's attitudes are more ticked off at them having those beliefs in the first place, they're just trying to find something to discredit them with. They're not really gonna offer any sympathy or understanding for an ideology they just plain don't like.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143802: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:20:16 AM

Am I the only one who totally got tricked by lack of avatars into thinking randomdude and nervmeister were the same person just now?

Because I feel like Kreiger may have made that same mistake. Regardless, he was going a bit far here.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:20:51 AM by Gilphon

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#143803: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:21:42 AM

So Trump is currently running his mouth. Calling the Clintons criminals. Calling the Establishment, that he oh so benefited from, trying to destroy him. If Clinton gets more votes, democracy is ruined forever. He didn't sexually assaulted those women. yadda yadda yadda

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143804: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:22:04 AM

Since we're mentioning BLM (and I guess protests in general) this seemed relevant:

https://thenib.com/that-s-not-who-we-are

Edit: So his new "unshackled" strategy is to revisit his "safe" spaces while repeating the same talking points only louder and angrier.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:23:58 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#143805: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:25:37 AM

@randomdude4Same here. Sorry for stepping out of line.

The Trump International DC Hotel is not doing well. As in, during the IMF meetings in DC, it was the only 5 star hotel with vacancies.

Here we go again: Time cover edition.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143806: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:27:08 AM

He's really come unglued. I wish he'd take his defeat with dignity instead of further poisoning his base against anyone who'd actually be interested in helping them.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#143807: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:30:50 AM

I've run into the anti-impierialist left with whom you have to start every non-far left sentence by going "I'm not a fan of US foreign policy, but...", the arguments I've had about the morality of intervening in former Yugoslavia, how we didn't invade Afghanistan for oil...

It gets tiring, but one has to remember that such people are at college to learn and part of learning is growing out of such hipster like opinions.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#143808: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:33:05 AM

Those aren't hipster. They're more than mainstream in the Middle East, for instance.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#143809: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:35:47 AM

Also no one just flies off the handle and start ranting in a vacuum. Does it ever concur to anyone that you might have said/done something you should have done to them? Even if you didn't mean any harm.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:36:26 AM by NoName999

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#143810: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:35:55 AM

[up][up][up][up]Given that early voting is already underway, it's too late for someone else to take his place now. Regardless of whether or not his rivals' researchers were sleeping on the job during the primaries, his scandals are coming out en masse now, and someone is still pushing that he keep attacking no matter what.

Anyone got a link to that one article where someone who used to be on Trump's staff noted that he seemed to go with whatever the last person he talked to spoke to him? I wouldn't be surprised if Bannon has plenty of one-on-one time with Trump. That's not a reference to closets.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:37:37 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#143811: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:39:53 AM

[up][up] No one goes off without provocation but when the provocation consisting of me saying that genocide is bad and should be stopped I make no apology for it.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143812: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:40:23 AM

[up][up]'Taking his defeat with dignity' here means 'allowing himself to fade into the background and focus his efforts on surviving the legal troubles on his horizon.'

He's going to be on the ballot no matter what, but it'd be nice if he realized that he's also not going to win said ballot, and acted accordingly.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:40:54 AM by Gilphon

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#143814: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:42:14 AM

"I was into interventionism before Mc Carthy got into the Senate"

Inter arma enim silent leges
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#143815: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:42:15 AM

[up]X3 I'd rather he go full nutbar, the Dems need the downticket help, especially with the senate looking far closer than it should.[1]

[up][up] People in general don't explode at me, so I fail to see how that's relevant.

[up] Nah they're anti-intervention, because fuck brown people dying, their white guilt is far more important.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:43:55 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#143816: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:44:08 AM

@randomdude4

I kinda know what you mean, I used to have a (white, Wicca-practicing) friend who was such a diehard anti-imperialist liberal that she would defend Mao Zedong and claimed the reason the Cultural Revolution failed was because of the ungrateful peasants who were either too brainwashed by capitalist ideals or lacked the proper commitment to the communist cause. Also that all the bad things said about Mao were made up by the US government to discredit communism and that Chinese who fled the country during that time were traitors to the revolution.

Which really pissed me off because the whole reason both sides of my family came to the US was to avoid literally starving to death due to Mao's incompetence and lust for power. Also she would sneer at the intelligentsia a lot despite being in a top of her class law student at an Ivy League school.

And there was a brief period during which I would lurk some of the less overtly rightwing "anti-SJW" blogs because of frustration over some of the extremism, doxxing, and harassment that was taking place in many fandoms and to all the loony pseudoacademic "science is for dead white men"/"it's triggering to present me with information that challenges my preconceived notions"note /"only white people can be racist, nonwhites get to have carte blanche and so it's totally not racist for them to say Chinese people are greedy pieces of shit" within earshot of me/etc. college types.

It was mostly around the Santa Barbera incident that I really became aware of how these people are not just moderates venting at extremism but flat out alt-right sympathizers. Tellingly that's also when a lot of the more center-left moderators of these blogs also jumped ship or started to regret their actions in kicking these kinds of blogs off, leaving what remained on a positive feedback loop of their own extremism. "Ughsocialjustice" and "Disneyprincessesforrealjustice" being the most prominent ones I can remember.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:57:04 AM by AlleyOop

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143818: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:50:55 AM

[up] The last 16 years or so have pretty much wiped out what little respect I had for the GOP. And I grew up liking Reagan and H.W. Bush!

edited 13th Oct '16 10:51:20 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#143819: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:51:35 AM

So I just has a fairly interesting discussion with someone planning on voting for Jill Stein. He said somethings I wonder if any of you know about like, like Hilary and/or the DNC putting in moles or plants to sabotage Sander's campaign. Pretty sure we've all heard about the DNC conspiring (or thinking about it) against Sanders but I don't remember them actually doing something like that.

True or false?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143820: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:53:22 AM

[up] If it's from a Wikileaks dump...it's probably something misinterpreted or taken out of context or outright bullcrap.

And a Jill Stein voter? Your friend has studied the Green Party platform right? It's arguably a good thing Jill Stein has no chance of becoming President. I also just can't take someone who fears Wi-fi signals or somehow ends up on the wrong flight seriously.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:56:36 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#143821: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:58:46 AM

[up][up] There is no evidence (that dirty, dirty word) that Clinton's campaign or the DNC were sabotaging Sanders' campaign in the ways you describe. It's all insinuations and "creative readings" of various leaked emails. Of course Clinton's team was preparing oppo research on Sanders. That's what campaigns do.

Now, is it pretty obvious that the DNC was institutionally backing Clinton and opposing Sanders? Sure. We've known about that for ages; Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, the DNC chairwoman, resigned from her position over allegations that she helped conduct smear attacks against him. But this is all open knowledge by now, and there's no reason to believe that it materially harmed Sanders' campaign to the point where he could have won had it not occurred. Sanders conceded gracefully, made significant contributions to the Democratic party platform, and is now stumping for Clinton. Not all of his supporters have been so willing to admit that they lost.

I, too, used to like the Green Party platform, back when it was mainly about economic and environmental responsibility, but of late it has metastasized into something that is very nearly as anti-science and anti-reality as stuff you'd find on the alt-right. The difference is that Stein is getting ~1 percent of the national vote, while Trump is getting ~38 percent.

edited 13th Oct '16 11:02:26 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143822: Oct 13th 2016 at 11:01:34 AM

And whatever the DNC did or did not do to hinder Sanders, he for one seems pragmatic enough to let bygones be bygones and endorses HRC.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#143823: Oct 13th 2016 at 11:01:58 AM

Yeah, he did seem to take Wikileaks as fact. I was just trying to get clarification. As for Jill Stein, I brought up some of her backtracking and he was basically "Eh, comments taken out of context".

I mean, I already had an idea about how he felt on stuff, but conversations like that are still interesting insight.

edited 13th Oct '16 11:03:00 AM by LSBK

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#143824: Oct 13th 2016 at 11:02:53 AM

[1]

NYT response to Trump lawsuit.

Dat last line tho

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143825: Oct 13th 2016 at 11:03:41 AM

It sucks that the third parties in America are such pathetic jokes. They're basically all of the bad ideas and hipster morons who couldn't find a place in the big tent parties. The Libertarians and Green Party being the sanest of the lot says it all.

edited 13th Oct '16 11:04:29 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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