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#143776: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:38:48 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#143778: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:42:00 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143779: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:44:23 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#143780: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:45:55 AM

[up][up][up]Maybe.

Anyways, one opinion of Sargon's I find much more skeptical is one in which he thinks BLM accomplishes nothing more than motivating aspiring cop killers.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:47:16 AM by nervmeister

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143781: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:51:49 AM

No protest movement in history has ever been able to completely reign in fringe whackjobs from undermining their cause. And in the current situation where we get riots and cop killings, reason frankly stopped mattering a while ago to the people starting them because life has been shit for them for so long...anger leads to fear, leads to hate, leads to suffering. That's not something you can lay on BLM's shoulders.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:54:21 AM by Elle

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#143782: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:54:34 AM

No protest movement in history has ever been able to completely reign in fringe whackjobs from undermining their cause
My thoughts exactly.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#143783: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:55:35 AM

Most people didn't agree with the Civil Rights Movement back in the day. Most of the rhetoric is the same too.

Too violent, too disruptive, too fast, not really a problem, etc.

Oh really when?
randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#143784: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:56:25 AM

I know I used to watch Sargon's videos about a year ago largely to help me cope with some of the crazies in my classes up here at college. Despite being a jerk, he does have a point about the cult-mentality of it. I've seen it myself; I've lived through it. They scream at people for having different opinions, and shut down anyone who tries countering it. They're the singlemost narrow-minded people I've ever had the displeasure of personally meeting in fact. It. Is. Insufferable. He provided an outlet for those frustrations, which was the entirety of the reason I watched.

I do recall stopping after his Islam episode. That one pissed me off and did come off as genuinely Islamophobic to me, and I didn't feel like I could keep watching him in good conscious.

You don't know what we've been through...

edited 13th Oct '16 9:59:42 AM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#143785: Oct 13th 2016 at 9:57:19 AM

I think one reason I'm not a Trump supporter now is because my first impression of the man was from the portrayal of him in Bloom County, where he was basically an ungrateful Jerkass who destroys everything around him for profit.

edited 13th Oct '16 9:57:35 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#143786: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:00:35 AM

While cultivating a cult mentality of his own. Pot, kettle, black.

And really, you think you're alone? That you and internet neo-Nazis are the only people who have encountered insufferable types at college, if you actually attended one that wasn't a diploma mill? Please, you know nothing of South East Asian anti-imperialists...

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#143787: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:02:43 AM

[up][up][up][up]It's also easy to complain about people's behavior when you aren't the one who might be killed by a police officer the next day.

Some people seem to be under the illusion that stuff like this can be solved by asking nicely, but that's never how these social issues work. Protests by definition are messy, disruptive, and uncomfortable but there's no other way really.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:03:42 AM by Draghinazzo

randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#143788: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:04:50 AM

@Krieger the insinuation that you make by grouping me with neo-nazis in that sentence is incredibly insulting. Don't be an asshole dude. And I'm pretty sure University of Washington isn't a diploma mill, so I'm dammned sure I know what I'm fucking talking about.

[up]Of course they're messy. They've never been easy, but there's also a difference between protesting and becoming a mob. Too often that's what they become now.

[down]Care to fucking elaborate what you mean by my "ilk?"

edited 13th Oct '16 10:13:11 AM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#143789: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:08:16 AM

[up]Well, guess who digs Sargon too. Since your ilk claims to despise political correctness so much, I will indulge you.

In which Fox News host Bill Hemmer loses it at the very insinuation of white privilege.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143790: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:09:23 AM

Re: "cultish" liberalism: It is a thing around liberal leaning college campuses but I believe it's absurd aspects are more amplified there than they are elsewhere. I've seen it too, but as I've gotten older and delt more with the real world I've come to realize they have some points, if often badly argued and too hostile to people that don't get it.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:09:59 AM by Elle

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#143791: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:10:27 AM

If it stays restricted to a bunch of yelling, I have a very hard time calling a college protest a mob. Frankly I find that these things that happen at college tend to get overblown in the news. Oh no, kids are getting politically active. Oh no, they are perhaps doing it in a stupid way. Oh no, people are getting upset because they're being disagreed with, on multiple sides of whatever argument it is.

Most people, once they get to protest stage, are quite goddamned tired of being shut down themselves.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#143792: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:12:43 AM

Umm, you aren't making sense. Are there public events where feminists are barring journalists because of the threat of violence?

This sounds like a twist of some feminists who support all-female rallies and movements. Feminist physical violence is largely a myth - not female violence, feminist violence.

As Benoîte Groult put it:Le féminisme n'a jamais tué personne. Le machisme tue tous les jours (Feminism has never killed anyone, machismo kills every day)

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#143793: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:13:10 AM

Being irritated that college aged girls are having "babby's first feminism" is kind of dense. They'll grow up eventually and it's not like you were any smarter at that age.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:14:21 AM by NoName999

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#143794: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:13:27 AM

You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue.

One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have taken in Birmingham is untimely. Some have asked: "Why didn't you give the new city administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new Birmingham administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Albert Boutwell as mayor will bring the millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is a much more gentle person than Mr. Connor, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that Mr. Boutwell will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Need a safe space? One where you "PC and wimminz who don't want to sleep with me are ruining America" types can talk without getting counterpoints brought up?

edited 13th Oct '16 10:14:56 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#143795: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:14:40 AM

What the hell is your problem with me? I stated an opinion you didn't like and right off the bat you start insulting me, and now you're just being a dick.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:15:58 AM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#143796: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:16:55 AM

I have to admit Krieger, I don't really get where your antagonism come from. randomdude just mentioned why he started and stopped watching Sargon, I haven't seen him defending his many debatable views on the world.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:17:54 AM by Julep

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#143797: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:17:56 AM

Editing "go to hell" out of your comment doesnt erase it..

Also Krieger wtf are you doing

edited 13th Oct '16 10:19:05 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#143798: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:18:13 AM

[up][up]What they said.

edited 13th Oct '16 10:18:25 AM by Elle

Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#143799: Oct 13th 2016 at 10:18:49 AM

OK, EVERYBODY STOP BEFORE WE HAVE TO START SMASHING HEADS.

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